C300: mic and recorder? anything better then rode Ntg3?

they all great microphones, but you choose the one you like, after my tests between 416, CS3e, CMIT5U and KMR81 i got CS3e - fantastic microphone,
not my footage, but very Sanken sound :)

 
I don't operate a C300 but I've done a lot of OMB where audio was critical. I usually double mike interviews with a lav and shotgun or hypercardioid on interiors, I used a Senn 416 as my shotgun for a long time, and I think it is still difficult to fault the 'old' 416 (I know some voice pros that use them in narration booths), but for the last year or two I have been using an AT 835ST often mounted on the camera to pull down stereo ambient tracks, then if I need a boomed shotgun (and actually have a boom person) I can switch the AT to a mono shotgun pattern and it does a creditable job, its a versatile tool. Only in a worst-case-scenario would I rely on a camera mounted shotgun for dialogue, the camera is generally going to be much too far away from the subject for that and the mic angle is really wrong. Wireless lav is your friend.
 
Rycote made a sort of 'J' mount which I've used with both my Sanken CS-1 (great general mic) and my 416. Sadly, it doesn't seem to be made any more, but it fit inside a Sony mic mount and then had a simple suspension mount for any mic you could slide in it.

Yes, the 416 is not necessarily the sound recordist's mic of choice indoors, but when doing voxpops and booming the mic in, it is utterly awesome - way more so than the CS-1. The CS-1 is great for a good quality 'what's in front of the lens' mic but I'm using that less and less. The local hire shop was selling off 416s for a song (I think they were replacing stock for MKH60s), I bought one, it's been used on every job, it's awesome and I love it.
 
Egg Born Son said:
signal to noise ratio is the difference between the signal and the noise floor. bigger is better. it does not refer to rejection of unwanted sounds or handling noise. it refers to the hissing sound present in all amplified sound. high SNR makes for cleaner recordings. off axis rejection refers to the mics ability to reject unwanted sound sources.
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oh really? i did not know that! thank u for the info!
 
marvinhello said:
some certain shotguns are immune to indoor reflections, for example Sanken CS-3e due to its unique design.
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when u r talking about special design.... i wonder if there are other mics like that as well? is that some how reflected in specifications so that i could look it up?

regards
 
The CS3e isn't a standard line gradient shotgun like the 416 or NTG3 or CMIT 5U or CS-1 etc. Instead of the standard line gradient phase cancellation, it uses three capsules to sense sound coming from the front and sides. As far as I know, it's the only microphone of it's type that is commonly used for video.
 
its maybe a stupid question, but what kind of Computer Speakers would u recommend? and maybe what should i keep in mind when i choose them? i definitely dont want to go crazy expansive and dont want to get 10 speakers around me, but also i d like to put my cheap speakers in to the garbage and get something good!

also would u recommend any special hardware to instal on my PC for "better" sound quality? or what is normally inside on mother boards (i have asus x79 deluxe)is enough, normally it comes with realtec...?
 
anatusa said:
what should i keep in mind when i choose them?
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As a random side note, I'd add that - beyond the choice of actual brand and model - you should think about positioning and mounting of close field monitors.

I cannot adequately express the difference it made to mount my speakers (Genelec 1029A - beginning to age, but by no means shagged yet) on stands at ear-height vs on compressed foam wedges on the desk. There is a sweet spot that you hit that brings everything alive, including the elusive bass frequencies. I had a couple of sound guys help me with test recordings, and Rick Sarson in particular patiently dialled me in to the need to put any monitor that's close to the editor in a specific position, liking it to the issues of depth of field in Macro photograpy.

Good speakers help, but up close and personal, correct positioning is everything.
 
I found the real problem with the C300 was the handle and the standard shock mount which was giving me a lot of unwanted handling noise in many situations . I switched to a movcam top handle for some reasons unrelated to sound and then changing the handle allowed me to add a rycote Lyris mount and that too care of a huge amount of handling noise .
 
It seems like the Sanken cs-3e is a great mic and what i need, but after i almost ordered it, i came across 1 more mic from Sanken CSR-2! it does seems like that the Sanken produce exactly what i need, but now i am a little confused which of 2 to get? price is seems like the same...
 
anatusa said:
It seems like the Sanken cs-3e is a great mic and what i need, but after i almost ordered it, i came across 1 more mic from Sanken CSR-2! it does seems like that the Sanken produce exactly what i need, but now i am a little confused which of 2 to get? price is seems like the same...
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CSR-2 is not yet available.

According to Sanken staff, performance wise CS-2 < CSR-2 < CS-3e, so CS-3e is still your best choice.
 
Just got my Sanken CS-3e finally! i am not a pro , but i can tell the voice sound very natural.... will use it soon, and will see how it works in the field! btw - it looks so sexy!

what i need now is the Blimp for booming, and maybe a separate fur wind protection for the quick job outside when no time for the boom...

I have Rode blimp (version 1 i gues) - but if say true it kind of junky....

Any suggestions?

oh and as the mic coast that much - i am thinking about something that can protect my new mic in my cam bag? something safe....
 
The Rycote softie is pretty good, and it's fast to slip over the mic. A full blimp system would of course be better, but it's more expensive and takes more time to set up.
 
Alfa makes microphone tube cases. That would work. I think it is better than carrying around the microphone box. I wish everybody would just make the aluminum tube type case that comes with the Rode mics.

Most everybody says that Rycote has the lightest and best blimp system. I would guess that the newer Rode blimp is comparable as it has the same suspension and isolation and handle type as the Rycote.
 
anatusa said:
Just got my Sanken CS-3e finally! i am not a pro , but i can tell the voice sound very natural.... will use it soon, and will see how it works in the field! btw - it looks so sexy!

what i need now is the Blimp for booming, and maybe a separate fur wind protection for the quick job outside when no time for the boom...

I have Rode blimp (version 1 i gues) - but if say true it kind of junky....

Any suggestions?

oh and as the mic coast that much - i am thinking about something that can protect my new mic in my cam bag? something safe....
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Sanken CS-3e is on the list. Congrats!
 
Erik Naso said:
Sanken CS-3e is on the list. Congrats!
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Erik, i spoke with a local pro, and i should kind of warn you, or at least you should keep in mind, that it seems like the mic is produced especially for voice recording, and it really fills like it pushes forward the voice and kind of isolates other noises, not completely of course .... u still can hear the other noises , but the voices kind of get the the priority...., but also the voice sound, to me, is very natural, what i could hear in my headphones was like 100% match to original voice. But its maybe not very good for recording music, as i ve been told it kind colors it a little!

so what my local pro told - that mic is highly popular locally with in sound guys exactly at movie projects, they love the sound of the voices during dialog recordings.
also what i ve been told, its maybe not very good idea to record room tones with it, or outside sound of birds......

and keep in mind my only test so far was inside!!! and i heard no echo - love it! also compared to my Rode NTG3 and rode has more bass, when someone pronouns letter R or similar, i never liked the sound of it...

if u get it, let us know your thoughts about it!
 
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