Man to Man Trailer (Rough)

Nice, I'm sold.

Nice, I'm sold.

Scharky,

Great trailer, man. The look reminded me a lot of the Alejandro Innaritu films, particularly "21 Grams". I have been shooting with a DVX (my bosses) for awhile, and I'm now takin' the plunge on a A1 thanks to you. In the space of 1 minute you dispelled a lot of fears for me about the A1 vs HVX vs HVR-V1U battle which were:

1. Colors - Obviously, great color range is possible with minimal CC tweaking.
2. Depth of Field - Nice cinematic depth of field achievable. Great.
3. Slow-mo - Remarkably smooth! Did you shoot that bit in 60i, or was that also 24f?

Anyway, best of luck to you on the film. I'd like to know how to see it sometime, maybe on DVD or something.

sam potter
 
More on the slow mo

More on the slow mo

I realize you probably didn't edit this, but how was that smooth slow mo achieved? Was it done in Final Cut, or was it done with some tweaking in Shake? Or was it PC stuff? Just curious. Honestly, this looked just as good as the much balleyhooed overcranking of the HVX.
 
To answer a few more questions

1: setup, The brevis was used with the Cinefuse 1, I used a 20mm, 28mm, 50mm and an 85mm.

2: I cut the trailer on Vegas, I usually use cinform as it is much easier to work with than M2t files.

3: The A1 definitely has the most tweakable color pallet in this range of cameras. Without a 35mm adapter the A1 has the same depth of field as any other 1/3" camera, but it will have a slight advantage over the V1U which uses 1/4" chips. Slow motion was done shooting in 1080 60i and resampling to 720 60P, then bringing that footage into a 24P timeline and slowing down to 40%.
 
That was an excellent trailer, really well shot stuffs!

Which program did you use to convert to wmv 720p? I noticed that the encoder did a REALLY good job.
 
Agree with everyone else scharky, the shots look great.

If youre asking for people to pick on something - refer the grab below. Im not exactly sure what bothers me entirely about it, but some thoughts are - light colour temp, light angle not appearing as natural as it could possibly be.

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[SIZE=+0]what HD display do you use to edit/ color correct? (PLasma vs. LCD(Dell) vs LCDTV) what would you recommend?[/SIZE]
 
Thanks for the comments again.
First off, no, not really a big tony scott fan, although he does make "fun to look at" movies. The director is an artist himself "you should see the storyboards" and he wanted an almost comic book feel to the look of the movie if that makes sense. Not taken as far as Sin Sity, but having a very painted look to it.
As for the colors and light angle, what can I say except to know that this takes place just while the sun is setting (isn't that lucky for me :) ) so the color temperature and the angle of the light is meant to reflect that. There are earlier flashbacks in the film (briefly shown) that take place in the bar as well that have a cooler and higher angle to the light, although all you really have to go on is the brief trailer, but I appreciate your comments ncje.
Right now I'm editing HD with 2 22" Viewsonic LCD's and a toshiba monitor for testing color correction in an NTSC setting. most of my color correction however is done just using the monitors and then I usually hook up my Panasonic HD projector for final approval. hope that helps you out.
 
[SIZE=+0]Yes that helps. What Panasonic HD projector do you use and would it be better than a plasma or lcd TV? I have a new quad core workstation and am going to shortly move to HD (just sold my DSR 250). I am trying to find a good work flow (I use vegas as well) and I am still a little confused about the best way to view the timeline work. could you elaborate a little bit more? Thanks for your help.[/SIZE]
 
Oh please don't say that. . . You have to remember that this is a trailer and while the trailer is all flashy and everything it is not indicitive of how the actual movie will be edited. now if the entire movie was like the trailer I would say absolutly Tony Scott all the way. His movies are pretty much just long trailers anyway. :)

I have the Panasonic PT900U 720P projector. It really depends on what you want your final output to be. If this is meant for DVD check it on an NTSC monitor as it will have to conform to those specs. If it is for HD, Computer, Projection film etc. . . just make sure you are editing on a calibrated monitor and preview on whatever HD device you have available. HD does not conform to the same specs that NTSC does so you have a lot more previewing options.
 
your footage looks great!!!! but your trailer needs some work. it's too boring. it looks like i've seen this film 20 times before. basically the trailer looks like all the other trailers i've seen. this might be a good thing to you - you've made a trailer that looks like a professional trailer. but it doesn't make me want to see your movie. there is nothing new in it...

my suggestions are;

less shots of the little girl. i think you've got 3 or something. we get that she's important somehow.
more exciting music. you're current music is not bad. but it's the same music we hear in every action thriller movie.
the quick flashes of violent imagery we've seen hundreds of times before. slow it down a bit...

one thing i did like were the speed up bits :)

i've cut together a very quick version of your trailer to demonstrate what i mean. i put new music, cut one shot of the girl out towards the end to help the pacing and slowed down the quick flashes of violent imagery. it is by no means better than yours, it's just me playing arround with the footage, but i think you should consider what i've said.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/19156/1176329383.mov
 
i had to be under the 1mb limit on the members upload. if you save it to your computer and view it at 2x in quicktime. it uprezes surprisingly well.
 
jenningsp said:
your footage looks great!!!! but your trailer needs some work. it's too boring. it looks like i've seen this film 20 times before. basically the trailer looks like all the other trailers i've seen. this might be a good thing to you - you've made a trailer that looks like a professional trailer. but it doesn't make me want to see your movie. there is nothing new in it...

my suggestions are;

less shots of the little girl. i think you've got 3 or something. we get that she's important somehow.
more exciting music. you're current music is not bad. but it's the same music we hear in every action thriller movie.
the quick flashes of violent imagery we've seen hundreds of times before. slow it down a bit...

one thing i did like were the speed up bits :)

i've cut together a very quick version of your trailer to demonstrate what i mean. i put new music, cut one shot of the girl out towards the end to help the pacing and slowed down the quick flashes of violent imagery. it is by no means better than yours, it's just me playing arround with the footage, but i think you should consider what i've said.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/19156/1176329383.mov
Click to expand...

I'm sorry but you ruined the trailer. You took out all the life and characterization. In that version all I know is that there is a cool gun somewhere.

You were right in saying that that their is a level of professionality in most trailers. This is needed! Cutting it the way you did screams indie and removes all feeling, it now feels like a clip from the music video for one of the movie's songs.

PS: Is it just me or is the girl on the swing deformed or something, something looks weirdly wrong with her??
 
Mini Take

Mini Take

Hey! I actually like that mini trailer. I think it gave the movie a more standout feel. The music was upbeat and it had a good pace. What would have made it one bit more interesting is having the final part where he points the gun at his head have the music stop... then roll in the title.

I kind of agree with the feel of the second vs. the first. Amazing footage either way and I am as impressed as the rest of you.

Can't wait to show my g/f what I spent that money on :Drogar-Smoke(DBG):
 
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