Mac Clones

If you can't afford a Mac and want one go ahead and buy a Pystar, P hear they're cool but think about it, you may be stuck with something you have no tech support for.

-Nate
 
zergtherobot said:
So assumig another company pops up that sells a computer that CAN natively run osx. They dont sell anything affiliated to apple, I go out by this computer and a copy of osx, your going to call me a thief?

I understand what your saying, but I don't agree. Are you going to call it theft if I put a chevy crate engine in my Ford? No because that would make you sound like an idiot.

And if you want to talk about theft, are you going to sit here and tell me you have never downloaded a piece of music online for free? Never watched a tv show on youtube or some other video hosting site? I highly doubt that is the case. So why now the big fuss about PAYING for an operating system and putting it on a computer you bought?
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Your analogy is flawed. And bringing 'personal' morality into this isn't what this is about.

You don't buy a chevy, then put in a ford engine, so you can run the car with a certain piece of GPS software or CD/DVD player. Nobody is stopping you from doing this, but then, you aren't replacing engines.. and then selling them.. which is what pystar is essentially doing.

Man, all you need to do is look at the fiasco that was the mac clone business in the 1990's. Sure there were cheaper computers. But lets face it, the quality level dropped quite a lot.. and so did apple's bottom line.

Perhaps the word 'Theft' isn't the right word in this instance. Lets go with 'illegal' instead.

The main problem I have with this personally.. is so many people whining about "Macs are too expensive blah blah.. I'd own one if they were cheaper".

People act as though there are no good alternatives to the Mac which is just complete BS.

Apple sells itself as a vertically intergrated experience, which it is. Do people sit at home and complain about they can't afford a ferrari? same shi* different pile..

Thats what this essentially boils down.. people feel it is their right to get something for as cheap as possible...

It's apple's business to protect its products.. which includes the full product, not just the hardware.

it is after all just business right?
 
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Loki said:
You say that, because a) it is not your product so why should you care and b) it is in breach of EULA.

If you spent 10 years developing something only for someone to circumvent your work and make it available on products you don't sell.. you'd want to have a little chat them.


(I realize I am coming off as the apple zealot... but damnit... Standing for stupidity and theft isn't what I do.)
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This is incorrect. It is true I didn't develop Apple's software. In fact, aside from my iPod and iTunes, I don't even use it! Nor will I ever, most likely. Yes, it IS a breech of the EULA, and that is the ONLY problem. If this company had actually stolen the software and put it on their own machines, then I would understand, but they didn't. They pay for each software license they use. That means that Apple makes money on each of these systems. If I had developed a product and someone wanted to buy it and make it better and get it out to more consumers, I would be happy about it. My point is not that this is right, it is that it is NOT theft, as you say it is.

EDIT: Say I buy a PS3 and a copy of Linux and combine the two and then sell the machine, am I stealing all of Sony's and Linux's hard word? No! I bought the product and changed it, that is not theft.
 
Loki said:
The main problem I have with this personally.. is so many people whining about "Macs are too expensive blah blah.. I'd own one if they were cheaper". ... It's apple's business to product its products.. which includes the full product, not just the hardware.

it is after all just business right?
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Doesn't Apple exist for the sole purpose of selling computers to customers to make money? If Apple created a line of products that had prices as good as or better than PC prices, but had the software of a Mac, don't you think Apple's sales would go up?
 
Aroon_Narayanan said:
Doesn't Apple exist for the sole purpose of selling computers to customers to make money? If Apple created a line of products that had prices as good as or better than PC prices, but had the software of a Mac, don't you think Apple's sales would go up?
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Hmmmm. Interesting. It's amazing that Apple doesn't have any marketing types in their employ. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
Apple sells itself as a vertically intergrated experience, which it is. Do people sit at home and complain about they can't afford a ferrari? same shi* different pile..
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No. Different Sh*t, different pile.

SAME sh*t would be if Ferrari made you agree to a contract that said you cant install a Ferrari engine into a Corvette. And that would be equally silly, because A) they would lose the sale a $28K engine and B) it would only serve to reinforce the Ferrari "experience".
 
ConspiracyPenguin said:
This is incorrect. It is true I didn't develop Apple's software. In fact, aside from my iPod and iTunes, I don't even use it! Nor will I ever, most likely. Yes, it IS a breech of the EULA, and that is the ONLY problem. If this company had actually stolen the software and put it on their own machines, then I would understand, but they didn't. They pay for each software license they use. That means that Apple makes money on each of these systems.
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I'm fairly confident that Apple has restrictions in the software license agreement that comes w/OS X limiting what the end user can and cannot legally do with the software. Kinda like I can go to Best Buy and pick up ABBA's greatest hits, but merely purchasing the CD does not give me license to use the music commercially.

If I had developed a product and someone wanted to buy it and make it better and get it out to more consumers, I would be happy about it.
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You would be happy about it even though that person is now a competitor who can easily undercut you and run your business into the ground?

My point is not that this is right, it is that it is NOT theft, as you say it is.
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Theft or stealing isn't limited to physical property.

Theft: 1. the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny.

Intellectual Property: Law. property that results from original creative thought, as patents, copyright material, and trademarks.


-A
 
GageFX said:
There is no theft here. There is breech of contract.
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Thank you for posting what I was about to post.

Yes, in the EULA it says that what this company is doing is not allowed. That doesn't mean they stole anything. They PURCHASED the product. I am not saying what they did was right, nor am I saying that what they did was legal, just that is WAS NOT THEFT.

I'm done saying it. I am right, everyone else move along. :grin:

Just kidding (but not about being right! :))
 
adkimery said:
Poppycock!

Cool, thanks, I'm done now.:)


-A
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Me too. I'm off to bed. I had better start going to sleep before the new day begins if I am going to get up as early as I have to next week. That and the puppy is going to get me up at 7 anyway, so I'd best get a few z's in while I can. :)

(PS: I'm still right...:P)
 
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