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Ilinpelin

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Hi,

I am interested in finding out if I can use my Canon F2.8 24-70mm on the FX6. I'm particularly looking at a Sigma MC11 and Metabones adaptor.

Has anyone used those? And would the autofocus work decently?

Many thanks!
Ilin
 
Can't speak for the Sigma but Canon lenses via Metabones adapters will not autofocus on Sony cameras. They certainly don't on my FS5 (which has a very crude autofocus function - that I never use anyway!). When I buy my FX6 (this summer I hope) I'll be buying at least one Sony lens for this reason.
 
I've got the Metabones locking EF adaptor for use with my FS5 Mki and it gives me limited AF with my EF-S 17-55 2.8 and other EF lenses, but it ain't great. Funnily enough though, it improves a little if you turn Face AF off.
 
That's interesting. I have that lens and both the Metabone iV as well as the Metabones Speedbooster Speedbooster Ultra T (for my full-frame Canon L glass). Could never get any kind of autofocus to work - I believe both Metabones have up to date firmware (but they are a few years old now). Mind you, I mainly use my FS5 MkI in UHD mode - not sure if that effects this. Not been a fan of autofocus (or indeed auto anything) in the past. But the FX6 and other similar cameras are now getting so good at it that it's a feature I'm going to consider using once I get my FX6 (as soon as lockdown's over) - especially on my gimbal.
 
thanks everyone. that's really helpful. The best way forward seems to be to get a decent autofocus lens with the E mount.
 
Ilinpelin said:
Hi,

I am interested in finding out if I can use my Canon F2.8 24-70mm on the FX6. I'm particularly looking at a Sigma MC11 and Metabones adaptor.

Has anyone used those? And would the autofocus work decently?

Many thanks!
Ilin
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I have the MC-11. Aperture control works, but not AF.
 
I have the MC-11 and autofocus depends on the lens. With my Sigma 18-35mm and 150-600mm the AF works, but it doesn't work with my Canon 24-105. But it's not necessarily a Sigma/Canon distinction, as I also have a Sigma lens (the 17-50) that doesn't provide AF.

That said I think the MC-11 is a great adapter, in general.
 
andykwilkinson said:
That's interesting. I have that lens and both the Metabone iV as well as the Metabones Speedbooster Speedbooster Ultra T (for my full-frame Canon L glass). Could never get any kind of autofocus to work - I believe both Metabones have up to date firmware (but they are a few years old now). Mind you, I mainly use my FS5 MkI in UHD mode - not sure if that effects this. Not been a fan of autofocus (or indeed auto anything) in the past. But the FX6 and other similar cameras are now getting so good at it that it's a feature I'm going to consider using once I get my FX6 (as soon as lockdown's over) - especially on my gimbal.
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Ah - see I rarely use my FS5 in anything other than FHD - I'll have to check if it still works in 4K. I have to say, while it works for me in FHD, it's not super useful. In fact it's quite annoying in that it's noticeably faster in C-AF to single shot AF, but in C-AF is prone to pulsing etc (and obviously needs the subject kept centre of frame). My most fervent desire would be to replicate what I did on my old C100 Mk1 with DPAF, where I mapped the AF on/off to a button on the grip and got real good at grabbling focus then switching AF off until I needed it again. I don't think I'll ever understand why Sony lets me map loads of stuff I don't need to the grip buttons and not the one thing I'd really like (and should have thought many others would find very useful too)!
 
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Interesting.
The only Canon lens I've kept is the 35/1.4 L
This one works quite well on my A7R4 with the Metabones IV, but the AF doesn't work on the FX6.
I think there is some remaining work to do on the FX6 autofocus... At least to implement the focus tracking, which is implemented on the A7s3 and the FX3...
 
Been using metabones on Sony Cameras for years with Canon lenses - it communicates with camera with IRIS control (not sure in auto do not use auto) but as everyone said no AUTO FOCUS at least for me. I am starting to sell off my canon lenses for Sony's - will start getting SONY e mount lenses - I do not like using adapters. I do not have sigma MC 11 so do not know about it.
 
LDV20 said:
Been using metabones on Sony Cameras for years with Canon lenses - it communicates with camera with IRIS control (not sure in auto do not use auto) but as everyone said no AUTO FOCUS at least for me. I am starting to sell off my canon lenses for Sony's - will start getting SONY e mount lenses - I do not like using adapters. I do not have sigma MC 11 so do not know about it.
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The recent Sigma DG DN lenses work nicely with the FX6, eye tracking included.
I have the 14-24/2.8, the 24-70/2.8 and the 100/2.8 macro. Optically it's the best you can find in this category.
The monster 100/1.4 FE works fine as well.
The only issue with these lenses is that they have no stab (since they are designed for cameras with sensor stab)
 
I have successfully used my MC-11 adapter with both the sigma 18-35/1.8 and canon 70-200/4 on my A7Riv for all functionality, including AF.

However, my FX6 will not recognize AF, only aperture with the aforementioned lenses (as others have mentioned). My Sigma 24-70/2.8 e mount dg dn works great on the FX6 (and a7riv) for all functionality.

I posted in the FB group as well, and Alister mentioned the Viltrox and Commlite might have better luck with AF on these 3rd party lenses - I have not tested this out.
 
did said:
The recent Sigma DG DN lenses work nicely with the FX6, eye tracking included.
I have the 14-24/2.8, the 24-70/2.8 and the 100/2.8 macro. Optically it's the best you can find in this category.
The monster 100/1.4 FE works fine as well.
The only issue with these lenses is that they have no stab (since they are designed for cameras with sensor stab)
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Yes - Read plenty of good reviews on sigma - have not made up my mind yet. I am looking at Sony G 16 -35 but $$$. I have a lot of glass to sell - canon 24-105, Canon 17-55, Sigma 50 -150 (sweet lens)
plus Since FX6 does not have 4K in super35 - cant see using these lenses much - but have not made up my mind as couple of these lenses are really nice
 
This is (one reason) why I will probably keep my FS5 when I get the FX6. I have a lovely Tokina 14-20mm F2 and of course that Canon 17-55mm F2.8 IS for APC/Super35 lens mount - so no way will those have use on the full frame FX6. My other lenses are Canon 24mm F2.8 IS, Canon 35mm F2 IS and Canon 70-200mm F4 IS. I also have the Canon 1.4x adapter. I'm loathed to sell lenses - I still have an old Canon 7D DSLR body...and even a C100 (at the moment) that they will fit.

Keeping the FS5 also gives me a (sort of similar) back-up camera and one with an XLR audio input on the body. I've also got at least one project booked in for this summer in Cambridge where I'll need to capture audio from one of my Rode Lapelmics feeding a Sennheiser G3 radiomic linked to the G3 receiver mounted on the stripped down FS5 cam on my Letus Helix Jr gimbal. It's a set-up I've used before and it works well but I can't do that easily on the FX6 unless I rely on it's scratch mic and do double system sound...the FX6 would be far too bulky on the gimbal with the top handle attached. Really stupid design mistake by Sony not putting at least a 3.5mm input on the body!

Will probably get the Sony 24-105mm F4 FE G OSS as my first Sony full frame bit of glass - but that's not yet decided.
 
One important point about the recent Sigma DG DN lenses is that the lens correction works on the FX6 (Distorsion+vignetting+chroma aberrations)
At least with the 14-24 and the 24-70, I've not checked with the other.
 
andykwilkinson said:
I've also got at least one project booked in for this summer in Cambridge where I'll need to capture audio from one of my Rode Lapelmics feeding a Sennheiser G3 radiomic linked to the G3 receiver mounted on the stripped down FS5 cam on my Letus Helix Jr gimbal. It's a set-up I've used before and it works well but I can't do that easily on the FX6 unless I rely on it's scratch mic and do double system sound...the FX6 would be far too bulky on the gimbal with the top handle attached. Really stupid design mistake by Sony not putting at least a 3.5mm input on the body!
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I was only thinking the other day about what you said. No 3.5mm mini mic input. A big oversight on the FX6. What were they thinking? The following is a very small light workaround that would suit gimble work pretty well.

What I was thinking the other day is what is the easiest and quickest way to sync double system sound quickly and accurately and fix any sync drift issues between the two recordings. I don't have to do it with the FS7 as it has XLR body-mounted audio inputs but I thought I'd try an experiment. Using the Rode Wireless Go II kit I put the #2 mic TX recorder unit on the camera. This can be used with a small light Rode shotgun or similar or just its own inbuilt condenser mic. Grabbing one of my sons I sent him for a wander around with the #1 TX recorder unit. When you turn on the RX unit, now also mounted on your camera along with the #2 TX recorder with its internal recording both TX units start internal recording. Once you start rolling on the camera just one press of the on/off button on the RX unit puts a sync marker in both external TX recorder units if required. All too easy. The other side benefit is if you have a set of headphones with a volume gain control half-way up its cable or an optional headphone extension 3.5mm gain control cable you can plug them into the RX 3.5mm mini-jack output for basic monitoring. Just set the RX unit's output gain to '0' dB to get the maximum output level from the RX mic 3.5mm out. Microphone level is usually specified between -60 and -40 dBu and most headphones will require a drive level of about −10 dBu (-10dBv in the old language).

Right now what to do in post?

I don't know if you use Pluraleyes. It's available for a number of NLEs. It works very well for the following workflow. In your NLE you bring in your camera files with the "scratch" tracks enabled. Now bring in both sets of recorded tracks from TX recorders #1 and #2. Chuck both of these tracks onto the timeline alongside the video and its audio "scratch" tracks. When you run Pluraleyes it is almost instant, very, very quick in syncing up your TWO scratch tracks. One is your camera's internal scratch track and the other one is the scratch track from TX recorder #2 which was mounted on the camera. These two tracks are virtually identical as the two mics, TX recorder #2 mounted on your camera and the camera's own internal scratch track mic are only a few inches apart. A very easy sync job for Pluraleyes.

In the process of syncing your two scratch tracks, internal and external Pluraleyes also syncs up the internal talent/presenter track from TX Recorder #1. Pluraleyes rapidly fixes up any time drift sync issues it sees between your camera's scratch track and the two external recordings, scratch, and presenter mic audio. A very quick and easy way to sync dual sound. It works a treat.

Chris Young
 
Thanks Chris, very useful and interesting! We should probably let this thread revert to the main topic, lens adapters for the FX6.
 
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