GH4 Leeming LUT One – the best LUT for the Panasonic GH4

A few shots I took yesterday, with v201 of the LUT, the Lowcon Preset and a basic grade. Didn't change the color balance any, just boosted saturation a bit and adjusted highlights and shadows. These were 60fps 1080 VFR so are a bit soft.

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So I think I've read through this entire thread and I haven't seen this mentioned yet: http://blog.josephmoore.name/2014/11/05/why-cine-d-sucks/

I think the main problem with this article is that in his tests, joseph messes with pedestal as opposed to just using cine-d but I've been getting vibes that cine-d may not be that great for the GH4 and that natural is better. Care to comment, mr. leeming?
 
SDub said:
So I think I've read through this entire thread and I haven't seen this mentioned yet: http://blog.josephmoore.name/2014/11/05/why-cine-d-sucks/

I think the main problem with this article is that in his tests, joseph messes with pedestal as opposed to just using cine-d but I've been getting vibes that cine-d may not be that great for the GH4 and that natural is better. Care to comment, mr. leeming?
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That is kind of the whole point of the Leeming LUT. It fixes the color of Cine-D and makes it extremely accurate. Natural is nice as well but it is an even more baked in look in camera. When I have to shoot with my GH4 and GH3 I will use Natural because the GH3 doesn't have the Cine profiles and I am happy with it for the most part.
 
Thomas Smet said:
That is kind of the whole point of the Leeming LUT. It fixes the color of Cine-D and makes it extremely accurate. Natural is nice as well but it is an even more baked in look in camera. When I have to shoot with my GH4 and GH3 I will use Natural because the GH3 doesn't have the Cine profiles and I am happy with it for the most part.
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The argument the article is making is that using Cine-D eliminates information that cannot be regained in post. So, a LUT wouldn't fix this sort of problem. That was more or less what I was talking about, is this claim valid or is it misguided because the author of the article was messing with pedestal, etc.
 
SDub said:
The argument the article is making is that using Cine-D eliminates information that cannot be regained in post.
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True if you use CineD like he did, dealing contrast and saturation all the way down and pushing pedestal to +15. CineD is already flat enough at the zero setting, without raising pedestal, which is what the Leeming LUT recommends. Making it flatter doesn't give you any extra dynamic range, it just compresses luminance and color into a narrower range with less fidelity.
 
SDub said:
The argument the article is making is that using Cine-D eliminates information that cannot be regained in post. So, a LUT wouldn't fix this sort of problem. That was more or less what I was talking about, is this claim valid or is it misguided because the author of the article was messing with pedestal, etc.
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Why not look at the results Leeming LUT is getting and judge for yourself? Paul has posted numerous examples of how good the color is and other people have posted samples they are very happy with. There are 57 pages of posts here vs one article from 2014. Be your own judge as to the accuracy of what it can do.

And yes a LUT can make a difference because what plagues cine-D is color and a LUT can fix color. A good 3D LUT is not just some easy to use drag and drop color grading effect like most companies market it as. It is a complex fine tuned level of color adjustment that can get down to the individual color level better than most could ever do grading themselves. This is not just a fancy RGB slider but really digging in deep to the color.

Again be your own judge as to if the color has been fixed. Many of us think it has and find Cine-D plus Leeming LUT to be some of the most accurate color to ever come out of the GH4. Are we wrong? Perhaps but I don't think we are. I have yet to meet anybody that hasn't been impressed with this color now.
 
Sorry for my absence - I was travelling around Germany for the last week!

To answer SDub, joe12south is actually a user of my LUT (and is active in this thread) and has been very helpful in giving great feedback on optimising it, as well as for V-Log L :)

I've spent a looooong time iterating on the LUT to get it perfect, which it definitely is now! :D

As Thomas has mentioned, the LUT digs into colour in a far more detailed way than just simple color grading, and alters a lot of the baseline colour inaccuracies to bring them into line. With the current recommended settings of Cine-D for the LUT (Contrast 0, Sharpness -3, NR -5, Saturation 0 or -1, Hue 0) you'll find it to be the best colour you can get out of camera to start grading with, hands down.

Hope this and the other comments helped!

Cheers,

Paul :)
 
And in other good news for Adobe CC users, the new 2015.3 update finally lets you put the Quickies into the Creative LUT folders and have them appear in the dropdown list. Yeay for Adobe hearing the bug report I submitted!!

I've updated the v2 Quickies ZIP file with new instructions on the website, so you can re-download it and find the right places to put them.

The other thing to note is that you will need to reinstall the base LUTs into the updated program folders as well, since the new version installs into its own folder.

Cheers!

Paul :)
 
Hi Paul,

Has anyone sent you files for a Panasonic GX85 LUT yet? There is no Cine-D, I have been using Neutral with Contrast & Sharpening way down, and Saturation down -2 I think.

I bought the GH4 LUT's long ago. I recently bought a Sony A6300. I am still trying to decide whether to keep it- if I can manage the overheating with a rig. I'm looking forward to having matching LUT's if I keep it.

Great work. Thanks!

Michael
 
unadog said:
Hi Paul,

Has anyone sent you files for a Panasonic GX85 LUT yet? There is no Cine-D, I have been using Neutral with Contrast & Sharpening way down, and Saturation down -2 I think.

I bought the GH4 LUT's long ago. I recently bought a Sony A6300. I am still trying to decide whether to keep it- if I can manage the overheating with a rig. I'm looking forward to having matching LUT's if I keep it.

Great work. Thanks!

Michael
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No one's sent GX85 footage yet, but if you want to do so, email me and we can figure out some settings as a baseline to build test footage from, and give you a free LUT for your troubles! A6300 LUT will be coming soon. It's the next closest to release :)

Cheers,

Paul :)
 
Thanks Paul! I will try to send GX85 test files within about 1 week.

My wife gets home tomorrow from a trip, then leaves again on Tuesday for another one. Once she heads out I should have more free time. Just me and the dogs here. :)

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FWIW, I really love the GX85! I don't want to derail the thread, but the 5 Axis Stabilization and Dual IS (with Panasonic lenses) makes it a really fun camera to use handheld, or on a small rig (like a Zacuto Target Shooter.)

It has unlimited video recording (no 30 minute limit), a new shutter designed to reduce vibration, and no AA filter.

It is a pretty small camera with the decent 12-32 kit lens. ( I also have the 12-35 & 35-100, will use one of those for the test footage.) The big negative is the lack of a microphone jack or headphone jack. Or Cine-D.

Damn Panasonic is always crippling things. But as a preview of the GH5 it looks pretty good.

I'll send an email to sync up soon, and pencil in the tests for next Tue/ Wed/ Thur.

Thanks for all of the hard work! I wasn't around much from December through April. It is pretty amazing how the LUTs have developed into a whole system. Brilliant stuff!

Cheers,
Michael M.
 
For those of you using multiple camera brands (specifically Sony), I have just released some LUTs for a bunch of Sony cameras - basically all those which use Picture Profiles, ie. Cine 1 Pro, Slog2 Pro and Slog3 Pro.

Just like the GH4, G7 and FZ300 LUTs, they are designed to get your colours to align precisely with the Rec709 colour space, so if you've been looking to match cameras between Panasonic and Sony, your prayers have been answered! :D

Cheers,

Paul :)
 
If anyone is using a GoPro Hero4 (Black or Silver editions) as a B-cam on shoots, I've just released a LUT for it to compliment your GH4. You can find it on the website with the other LUTs :)

Cheers,

Paul :)
 
Exposure

Exposure

dustylense said:
Internal recording only.

I tested VLOG at the county fair shot at 800-1600 and you tell me where there is Magenta blocking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ahGaB_keA

Then next night I shot a little industry gig in mixed lighting harsh conditions. Again, no magenta blocking using the LUTS from Neumann or Miller. (At least no more artifacting than one would see with CIneD or V)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AgUE0MclIo
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Hi, I'd love to know how you determined your exposure for the SoCal video. I have to video a similar event this weekend, and I won't get the chance to try things out beforehand. Did you set your Zebras for a certain amount, or simply make sure that your histogram didn't reach certain values?
 
capitalphotog said:
Hi, I'd love to know how you determined your exposure for the SoCal video. I have to video a similar event this weekend, and I won't get the chance to try things out beforehand. Did you set your Zebras for a certain amount, or simply make sure that your histogram didn't reach certain values?
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Set your zebras to 105%, and follow my ETTR shooting guide, and you'll be well set to shoot with maximum dynamic range :)

Hope this helps!

Cheers,

Paul :)
 
Re GX85
This cam has no log, but it does have the grey curve interface--my question is whether you can simulate the log curve manually using the grey point and/or contrast/sat settings.
 
Can someone clarify on the G7/GH4 whether the contrast in the cam should be 0 or -5? I'm seeing conflicting info. Tx.
 
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