Jello-fix - Plugin from the foundry
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Apparently, thefoundry used the same principle discussed in here, October last year:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1448346&postcount=20
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1482520&postcount=59
A close friend of mine had himself exactly the same insight a couple of months ago, but differently from us, in some days he created a very elegant solution using Twixtor PRO in AE.
Look at the first tests:
(he took D90 samples from vimeo, so I think is better to not post it on youtube)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/mjkzlmywzmz/RollingShutterNoMore.zip
Time to render 1000 frames: ~15 min on an imac (the same amount of time of twixtor rendering)
I'll ask him permission to post the last version of this AE project in here, its has no twixtor distortion of any kind, is amazing
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1448346&postcount=20
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1482520&postcount=59
A close friend of mine had himself exactly the same insight a couple of months ago, but differently from us, in some days he created a very elegant solution using Twixtor PRO in AE.
Look at the first tests:
(he took D90 samples from vimeo, so I think is better to not post it on youtube)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/mjkzlmywzmz/RollingShutterNoMore.zip
Time to render 1000 frames: ~15 min on an imac (the same amount of time of twixtor rendering)
I'll ask him permission to post the last version of this AE project in here, its has no twixtor distortion of any kind, is amazing
Nikonslave
Member
because he's a secret admirer of 24p.
Yes I am. But the Mark II is better (of course the price is higher too but...) in all aspects. Even 30p looks better than 24p that's a reallity. But the film look of 24p is interesting too.
But the more and more I look at this forum, come on. We ASKED for manual control, it is NOT a technical issue like jellow or frame rate. They don't want to give it to you and they will never because they don't CARE about the video market.
They just want to stick with their photo market.
It's decided. Canon will rule the video market and take the number 1 position for the next 10 years at least. Nikon has always been like that, focusing very well, but not on the good subject.
i love the 5d, but sadly it's useless since i'm making films for theatrical projection. a 24p vga camera is better for my purposes than a 30p one even if it shoots raw 4k. every time i shoot with the 5d it makes me sad. when i shoot with the d90 i get annoyed, but annoyances can be overcome, sadness is worse.
I agree with you mattsand, 30p is useless for your purposes, and because of the information you have posted on this site, your irritations have become our discoveries, due to all of the workaround advice you have posted.
The Canon is not "better in all respects" - or even most respects (24 frames being critical, and the Nikon optics are, marginally, better) - Nikonslave, and I get the impression that you really want your position to be proved wrong by Nikon. I understand that. But "manual" is a relative term.
Nikon cannot afford to ignore slr video, they cannot stick with the "photo market" - and remember that it was Nikon who launched dslr video, not Canon. The lack of firmware update is irritating, certainly. I still think a firmware update will come. But remember, if you had a tripod-mounted Panavision camera, loaded a four hundred foot film cannister to it, and turned it on, it would give you terrible footage unless you set lighting, set metering, and had a focus-puller (and maybe a dolly-rig, a jib-arm, or a steadycam). While professional may mean manual camera, it also means hard-work manual, controlling everything you can (actors' marks, lighting, and script, script, script) The D90 is easily better-than-prosumer-camcorder good enough, if the hard-work manual is good. The point is, no camera comes out-of-the-box ready to film your vision.
Suppose one of these companies released a camera that had on a dial "Kubrick" mode or "Michael Mann" mode. What would that mean? It would not mean getting any closer to your point of view and what you wanted to express.
The Canon is not "better in all respects" - or even most respects (24 frames being critical, and the Nikon optics are, marginally, better) - Nikonslave, and I get the impression that you really want your position to be proved wrong by Nikon. I understand that. But "manual" is a relative term.
Nikon cannot afford to ignore slr video, they cannot stick with the "photo market" - and remember that it was Nikon who launched dslr video, not Canon. The lack of firmware update is irritating, certainly. I still think a firmware update will come. But remember, if you had a tripod-mounted Panavision camera, loaded a four hundred foot film cannister to it, and turned it on, it would give you terrible footage unless you set lighting, set metering, and had a focus-puller (and maybe a dolly-rig, a jib-arm, or a steadycam). While professional may mean manual camera, it also means hard-work manual, controlling everything you can (actors' marks, lighting, and script, script, script) The D90 is easily better-than-prosumer-camcorder good enough, if the hard-work manual is good. The point is, no camera comes out-of-the-box ready to film your vision.
Suppose one of these companies released a camera that had on a dial "Kubrick" mode or "Michael Mann" mode. What would that mean? It would not mean getting any closer to your point of view and what you wanted to express.
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of course they are, the question is when. always too late it seems. sometimes a revolutionary camera like the dvx comes around, but not that often. when we've figured out workarounds for several years the product we once wanted finally comes, and then it's old news and we're already working our ways around something else.
/matt
John Caballero
Veteran
There has to be a point in time when one or all of the manufacturers release that VDSLR camera where everything is there. It is amazing how each camera so far is so close yet so far. Its like little experiments gone crazy.
illusivethanos
Member
Any news fr4om your friend? I would really like to see what he accomplished with twixtor..
me too. theoretically it should just be a matter of time shifting each line by a different amount. maybe control it with a gradient map? we don't need the project, just tell us what he did. the experimenting is what's hard, once you know the workflow it should be straightforward.
I talked to him yesterday and he will make a page explaining the entire process, and how to make it work with any camera besides the D90 (5D, Red, iphone, etc). So you'll be able to download his project or to make your own.
He stopped working on it as soon as he figured out thefoundry was releasing the same solution with, probably, the same process. What he didn't expect was $500 for it. It's same the price of the Twixtor PRO!
I have an earlier project from him, but it still creates some Twixtor distortions, so is better to wait a little more for his final version. But remember, it will ONLY works with PRO version of Twixtor, it needs the "Motion Vectors: Create" installed.
I prefer him to explain it, but the main difference between from what we tried a year ago and his idea is to implement the gradient map over the layer of the twixtor motion vectors. It makes a 3-steps super long processes into a 1-step short one. It applies the correction globally over all pixels and because of this there is no twixtor distortion
...all pixels in one line that is, right? i don't think a fully global correction is a good idea since the worst jello, the kind that needs fixing, is due to camera shake that varies within the frame. deshaker uses linear interpolation from the first line to the last which works well, but given the motion vectors we might as well use the true values.