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David Saraceno

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"My shooting mode with this camera is to stick with 720/24PN recording mode going to the P2 cards. This maximizes my recording time, lets me take advantage of over- and undercrank, lets me stream simultaneously to Firewire, and gives me beautiful softer film-like video."

I was thoroughly reading Southward's article on the HVX at http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0603/cameracorner.html

He indicates that you can stream 24PN over firewire and was doing it. My understanding is that you can only record 24PN to p2 cards, and you cannot stream 24PN over firewire.

Can someone confirm one over the other?

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So what software can edit 24pn?
If I am using raylight, does that keep it 24pn?
Would I not need to have it over 60i to edit it with an application that may not recognise 24pn?

I have just been playing with clips, not really editing it as I am waiting for the araival of broadcast.....maybe by tuesday.
 
I've been editing 24PN on FCP 5.0 for about a week now.

What I'm asking is whether you can stream 24PN over firewire. I don't believe it's possible. 24P, yes . . . . . . but not 24PN over firewire.
 
Green Hornet said:
So what software can edit 24pn?
If I am using raylight, does that keep it 24pn?
Would I not need to have it over 60i to edit it with an application that may not recognise 24pn?

I have just been playing with clips, not really editing it as I am waiting for the araival of broadcast.....maybe by tuesday.
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Avid, FCP and Edius can all edit 24PN as far as I know. I can verify Avid and FCP for sure. I was under the impression that FCP could also capture live from the HVX via firewire. An important note is that the HVX "pads" the 24PN through firewire to make it conform to DVCPRO standards. So regardless if you are using 24PN the HVX will output over 60 via firewire.

FCP is supposedly smart enough to strip the extra frames as it captures.
 
24PN does not go out the firewire port.

Everything that works with the HVX currently works with 24PN. FCP, Avid, Canopus, Raylight -- they all work with it. No you don't have to do "over 60".
 
icicle22 said:
An important note is that the HVX "pads" the 24PN through firewire to make it conform to DVCPRO standards. So regardless if you are using 24PN the HVX will output over 60 via firewire.
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Doesn't work quite that way. If you put it in 24pN, there is *no* firewire output. Not even timecode.

If you want to stream 720/24P out the firewire, then you have to choose "720/24P" mode (meaning, "over 60") and then it'll behave how icicle22 describes. But if you choose 720/24pN in the REC FORMAT function, there will be *no* firewire output.
 
Barry_Green said:
Doesn't work quite that way. If you put it in 24pN, there is *no* firewire output. Not even timecode.

If you want to stream 720/24P out the firewire, then you have to choose "720/24P" mode (meaning, "over 60") and then it'll behave how icicle22 describes. But if you choose 720/24pN in the REC FORMAT function, there will be *no* firewire output.
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oops! I didn't realize that.....so recording to firewire and P2 at the same time really limits your P2 storage as it is always utilizing the full 100mbs allocated for DVCPROHD. Bummer.

But does FCP actually strip the frames as it captures the 24P over 60? I thought someone confirmed this.....I can try later myself but I am on my way out.
 
i wanna know how this would work with raylight in conjunction with vegas. cuz vegas will capture it at 23.97 removing 3:2 pulldown with the DVX. will it do the same with HVX 24P? and also will i able to undercrank and overcrank?
 
CacheMoneyVideo said:
i wanna know how this would work with raylight in conjunction with vegas. cuz vegas will capture it at 23.97 removing 3:2 pulldown with the DVX. will it do the same with HVX 24P? and also will i able to undercrank and overcrank?
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Well Vegas knows how to remove 3:2 pulddown in DV. I don;t know if it would have clue on how to handle Raylight Codec if it originated as 60P with 24P embedded in it. If you are not trying to stream out firewire to a device then why would anyone want to use 24P vs 24PN? It just wastes space on the P2 card.....
 
So does this mean longer record times given the same hard drive size for Firestore (24p only through firewire) vs. CinePorter (24pN through P2 port)?
 
Owen said:
So does this mean longer record times given the same hard drive size for Firestore (24p only through firewire) vs. CinePorter (24pN through P2 port)?
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well if Cineporter figures it out correctly, then yes, the Cineporter in 24Pn will record for significantly longer.
 
Don't know -- we'll have to see, when the FireStore is finalized. It's possible that they'll only get 100 minutes of 720/24p, or maybe they've taken the efforts to strip out the pulldown on the fly (the same way Apple does it during live capture) which means the FS-100 may actually offer over four hours of 720/24p recording. Until they finalize and release the product we won't know exactly what it can do.
 
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