FS5: Is it worth it to hold out for Shogun Inferno, or just invest in 7Q+ instead?
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moldcad
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Well, as I stated elsewhere, I asked Sony Prime Support and their answer is (in relation to both UHD and 4K DCI):
- 10 bit 4:2:2 up to 30p
- 8 bit 4:2:0 above
Piotr
moldcad
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+1. Lack of DNxHR plus the (otherwise great) monitor without HDR option make me look at the Inferno...
Piotr
deltoidjohn
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Just an update on the Shogun Inferno:
The latest firmware is broken.
It has a horrible interlacing/artifacting problem when shooting at 24/25/30p in both 2K and 4K. Atomos have acknowledged the problem (though not publicly) and said it will be addressed in the next firmware release. This is happening on both the FS700 and FS5, though may not be limited to those cameras.
It still works fine in 50p/60p and above. So right now you can choose between rolling back to the old firmware and not having the HFR, or you can use the new firmware to access HFR, and shoot all your real-time stuff at 50p or 60p, at the cost of using twice as much space on the SSD.
The latest firmware is broken.
It has a horrible interlacing/artifacting problem when shooting at 24/25/30p in both 2K and 4K. Atomos have acknowledged the problem (though not publicly) and said it will be addressed in the next firmware release. This is happening on both the FS700 and FS5, though may not be limited to those cameras.
It still works fine in 50p/60p and above. So right now you can choose between rolling back to the old firmware and not having the HFR, or you can use the new firmware to access HFR, and shoot all your real-time stuff at 50p or 60p, at the cost of using twice as much space on the SSD.
deltoidjohn
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Just heard back from Atomos and they've said they're hoping to have the next firmware, with bug fixes, released next week.
basspig
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As for the 4:2:2 vs 4:2:0 HDMI out conundrum, I recorded two short clips of some VU meters that were backlit by blue LEDs today. I recorded one clip at 23.98 and the other at 59.94 frames/sec and compared both recordings at 200% magnification in Premiere. I'll be darned if I can tell any difference in the amount of chroma smear/blur in either clip. But for a slight difference in exposure, they look identical. Maybe they're BOTH 4:2:0?
moldcad
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Mark - record a single, saturated color object (like a red flower), and blow it 200% on a large enough screen. The 4:2:0 version will have both horizontal and vertical black jaggies across it; with 4:2:2 the horizontal jaginess is gone (of course when one knows where to look, the jaggies are visible without zooming in - just a large display will suffice).
I have just receive my Inferno; still waiting for the XDCA and a set of proper signal cables (both HDMI 2.0a and SDI). Will test and comment here in a couple of days.
Piotr
I have just receive my Inferno; still waiting for the XDCA and a set of proper signal cables (both HDMI 2.0a and SDI). Will test and comment here in a couple of days.
Piotr
basspig
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Hi Piotr,
I've shot this red LED display twice, one at 23.976 and one at 59.94 frames/sec onto the Shogun, at DCI 4K resolution. The following images are a small crop (this was filmed with a 35mm lens at f/4 from a distance of 9'.
As you can see, they both look pretty darned the same.
I remember using this test with my EX1 years ago, to test the Samurai's 4:2:2 vs. the 4:2:0 of the XDCam MPEG footage and the difference was dramatic. Not the case here.
BTW, congratulations on your Inferno purchase. I think you'll be happy with it.
I've shot this red LED display twice, one at 23.976 and one at 59.94 frames/sec onto the Shogun, at DCI 4K resolution. The following images are a small crop (this was filmed with a 35mm lens at f/4 from a distance of 9'.
As you can see, they both look pretty darned the same.
I remember using this test with my EX1 years ago, to test the Samurai's 4:2:2 vs. the 4:2:0 of the XDCam MPEG footage and the difference was dramatic. Not the case here.
BTW, congratulations on your Inferno purchase. I think you'll be happy with it.
basspig
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The difference between my XDCam footage and my Samurai footage was obvious at 100% scale. The XDCam footage actually had vertical line like artifacts distorting the numerals on the LED display and the difference between that and the higher color resolution Samurai recording was dramatic at normal viewing conditions. One was legible and the other was not.
moldcad
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Even with the 8.0 fw, the zoom resolution in focus assist mode is useless in my opinion - very, very soft image! BUT there is a good news: today I shot a beautiful, sunny & snowy landscape in S-log2, and I must say the almost 800 Mbps (in UHD@25p !!!) DNxHD HQX codec is SOOO much nicer than the internal FS7 codec (even the XAVC-I). Absolutely stunning in HDR on my Samsung SUHD! AND, no noise in shadows: nada, niente, nothing.
I only hope Atomos will improve the focus assist tools:
- sharper zoom modes
- adjustable peaking intensity
Having read the above posts, I passed on the 8.1 and am waiting for the next fw. But - so far, so good!
Piotr
moldcad
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One thing that is strange to me with Atomos is that even the DNxHR codec files are wrapped in QuickTime (.mov), which on a Windows computer makes them unreadable by any applications with the lucky exception of Resolve (which I'm using). But no software player will play them back outside Resolve (not even VLC, Potplayer or MPC-HC); even good old Vegas Pro will not load them!
Piotr
Piotr
You need to install the AVID Codecs LE version for computers without Media Composer.
link: http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/download/Avid-QuickTime-Codecs-LE
Robby Barus
Member
i test FS5 RAW with atomos inferno in super slowmotion 2k 200fps to apple prores but when playback in my hardisk prores inferno file is realtime not slowmotion need to interpret footage
new Shogun Inferno Firmware 8.11 is out:
* Added BT.2020 color space for Sony FS7 II and other S-Log cameras in AtomHDR
mode.
* Shogun Inferno now compatible with Sony PS4 Pro HDR output for high quality
game recording.
Bug Fixes:
• Further improvements to disk compatibility and reliability.
See atomos.com/drives for latest compatible drives 4Kp60/30/25/24 drives.
• Fixed Sony 4Kp25/30 raw to ProRes/DNx interlaced scan lines when panning.
• Panasonic GH5 and Fuji XT2 support for 10bit output has been added.
• Sony PS4 4kp60/HDR support added.
• Super smooth monitoring of all video frame rates via switchable 48/50/60 Hz frequency based
on input frame rate
http://firmware.atomos.com/TXT/SGI/Shogun_Inferno_Release_Notes_8.11.pdf
Hope they fixed the wierd looking slow-motion as well. That promo for the previous firmware which enabled the HFR on Sony cameras looked really strange in 200fps? Anyone know if this has been fixed?