Initial Discovery of The T6s/760D

Ebrahim Saadawi

Ebrahim Saadawi

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The good:


-The hedious aliasing/moire are finally almost gone, it's on d5300/7dii/5diii level at that area


-Lowlight performance is about a stop above last gen. similar to 7Dii. Interestingly this only applies to video not raw stills so better processing is the reason not cleaner sensor.


-Overall video quality is identical to 5Diii and 7Dii, i.e., clean of artefacts but quite soft compared to the 4k competetion.


-T6s HDR mode works brilliantly, much better than expected. It gives a really high DR at 720p resolution (which is not a big hit from 1080p as both are softish anyway)


-Lossless 3x crop mode is back as in the t3i, giving a clean almost s16 crop mode.


-Hybrid AF III (or whatever they call it) is almost identical to Dual Pixel AF in video AF. So it's very organic in motion, locks accurately and works better than any other system on the market. Really good video AF here.


The bad:


-Again, quite soft. Think 5D/7D


-No 1080p at 60p, and the 60p 720p shows aliasing, so not a great slomotion camera for a professional (fine for casual use)


-No headphone jack


-No peaking/zebras (while strangely both implemented in the new mirrorless Eos M3)


-No clean HDMI output or Timecode lile on 7D mk II


Conclusion: The T6s body is overally a joy to use as a stills/video hybrid, much more sophisticated than all entry level cameras and previous rebels, and the video performance now matches the Nikon counterparts, just not really great for hardcore purist video shooters like us, so move along, get an nx1 or something. This is a great camera for someone discovering photography/videography giving pro results with a cheap lens selection, it's really a lovely body especially with the 10-18mm IS + 18-135mm STM, 50mm 1.8 + 55-250mm IS STM and and those cheap high performers.


In brief, recommend it to your 15 year old niece bitten by the photography/videography bug, she can do anything with it, but for yourself as a pro video shooter, get an nx1 or GH4 or A7s or something and tinker with manual vintage/cine glass and adapters. Better for you overally especially in how sharp your end result will look. You can't afford to deliver soft video now when every one else is sharp/HD, bad for your image/business.
 
Thanks for the info Ebrahim!
So...for a Canon user it sounds like an upgrade to me, even from a 70D (no moire, better low light) if that Hybrid AF isnt worst than DP AF. I m not trying to defend Canon here, I know they could have done better than that...but I can understand their marketing strategy. However I find myself thinking to move on from Canon and take the Samsung (NX1) route...we ll see...
 
If you don't have any footage , who told you ?
One thing is for sure T5i has a file recording size 1920 x 1080 30p, 24p, 25p of 330 mb/min codec .MOV
T6s has a file recording size 1920 x 1080 30p, 24p, 25p of 216 mb/min codec .MP4

AS SAMUEL SAID IN PREVIOS THREAD Using a lower bitrate without improving the internals of the codec would mean that you'd get more macroblocking and codec artifacts
And is not a little bit is around 35% lower bit rate.
So grading or anything in post just has not enough information

However interesting if you saw somewhere the Moire performance. Where ?
 
I wish that they had moved the camera a little on that moire test. It's hard to get a good understanding of how the image reacts. I see moire off of the grey building but not off of the bricks. The detail looks about the same between the cameras.

As far as the bitrate is concerned, I don't think you should try to judge the image based on the bitrate. The C100 has a significantly reduced bitrate using the same codec and has is much easier to work with than older Canon DSLR's.
 
If you don't see the crazy Moire on the bricks, How in the world would you understand the difference between high and low bitrate ,
So Creston are you friend with Efrain ?
C100 records 24 MBS AVCHD, but you can record clean HDMI out up to 220 MBS, STOP COMMENTING LOGIC THINGS Creston.
Canon killed the rebel line for video, However still available, SL1, T5i, 70D, 7D, and the best 7D Mark II that is the only one without Moire.
I'll be out of this topic, I did more than enough to help you guys.

 
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Felipe, I don't know what your deal is. Half the time I don't even know what you are trying to say. I simply stated that the "The C100 has a significantly reduced bitrate using the same codec and is much easier to work with than older Canon DSLR's". Anybody who has worked with the C100 and with a Canon DSLR will say the same thing. Yes, you can record externally and produce files that are about 10x as large and are easier to grade, but that has nothing to do with my original statement. I was merely implying that Canon may have started to implement a better compression scheme for the new cameras that allows them to record at a lower bit rate, but not lose any of the fidelity of the image or throw out any information that is not needed for a light grade.

Moire tests are hard to judge without camera movement. I did, however, notice obvious moire and aliasing on the T6s footage.

If you are really that upset with Canon for not giving you the video DSLR that you want, maybe you should check out the 1DC. No moire or aliasing. A nice high resolution S35 mode with a relatively high bit rate and very few artifacts. And even better, a 4K mode with an incredibly high bit rate and terrible compression scheme. Nothing else compares.
 
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