I hate final cut pro

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While FCP has gotten some good penetration into the market, it isn't as highly regarded as Avid by a big margin. I have several friends that work in post houses, but the ratio of FCP (or PPro) to Avid is minuscule.

One that I was recently speaking to said that FCP trained individuals are a "dime a dozen" and aren't really qualified to much more than capture footage (which they do on PPro anyway). If its a real project, it gets cut on Avid.

However, in the end, what makes a great editor isn't the application but their skills.
 
It all comes down to price point. For what FCP can do for its price and what avid system you would need to buy to do the samething would be allot more. So small companys and big companys are seeing that instead of using their bugets on maybe two or three big Avid's why not get 6 or 7 full FCP sweets. I've worked on both and there is no way you can convince me anyway that there is one thing the other can't do. If you build an FCP sweet right it will have all the real time capabilitys that a big Avid has and will cost less.

The bottem line is not that is trendey but for the price point. Avid needs to wake up if they want to stop loseing market share. The legacy thing is fading fast. People are starting to realise that you don't need an Avid to cut a movie or big tv show.
 
I've used both Premiere Pro and FCP and FCP is definitely not the clear cut choice for me. For me the choice between NLE boils down to the little things like how efficient the interface is, and while FCP definitely have a head-ups over Premiere in some areas (being able to relink audio and video for one thing), it's suprisingly primitive in others (creating a title and adjusting it is a pain in the ass). Premiere might not be in the race in its early incarnations but now it's definitely very close.
 
morten said:
Overspecialize and you breathe in weakness.

mor10
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Or, as my favorite author has said:

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

-Robert A. Heinlein
 
But if you were doing the hiring, wouldn't you want to hire Editors with experience on the same NLE? That would probably cut down the number of bungles.
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I don't know about cutting down on the number of bungles, but hiring FCP editors cuts down on the number of dongles.
 
I wouldn't say people use FCP because it's "chic"...I think that it's inexpensive and runs on computers that they already own. It does a good job of cutting video...end of story.

To think that a company would spend money on software to make them "look cool" is a very naive way of looking at things. They bought the program because it fit what they needed, I'm sure they didn't do it to "look cool" or be "chic".

Companies look for experienced editors because editing is, for the most part, a fast-paced job. That "one day" it will take you to sit down at their studio and learn FCP might be all you have to finish the job. And while almost all editing software is fundimentaly the same, the command keys, buttons, etc. will be different. I can't imagine a company wanting someone hunting around for a command or button while the client sits there watching. Time is money to these guys and having someone who already knows what they're doing is always going to be a better choice.

Why wouldn't a company want someone experienced? If you want the FCP jobs, learn the program...since it will only take you one day to learn it, why not just find someone with the program on their computer and learn it?

I'm an editor working in New York and edit on both the Avid and FCP. Older, more established houses use the Avid while newer companies use FCP. Software changes, hardware changes...five years from now, there will be some new software program to learn...that's just the way of the world. Adapt or don't work...it's a pretty clear path.
 
I actually open up the miniDV tapes and cut the tape as if it were film. That way I don't have to worry about which program to use and it gives it that film look.
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The only things I laugh at are the pretencious assclowns that usually accompany the MAC / FCP arena.

(Relax, you'll know if you are one)

They're just tools (The apps, not the people).
 
I agree with you're point. I dont like the fact that FCP seems to run superior- it doesnt give anyone else a chance.
 
I only read the first post so this is in responce to that.
But 90% of the job's i interview/work for ask for avid or preimere.
I use FCP at my home studio but can edit on anything, but i want to know where are you looking for job, cuz i rather use FCP lol.
 
The folks who hire an editor based on their familiary with FCP don't know what editors do. No big surprise there. They employers are usually producers, and producers come and go, and many of the new ones don't know what directors or writers or cinematographers do either. That's why they'll want to hire a "feature film science fiction writer" rather than just a really good writer, or a "Final Cut Editor" rather than just a really talented editor. The employers are scared and naive and it's just easier for them to put the "talent" in little boxes to make it more comprehensible to them.
 
Agree with the idea that is the price point more then anything that drives the popularity of FCP. But coming in a close second is Apples excellent marketing program with huge educational discounts for schools. It was only a couple of years ago that Avid woke up and realized they needed to be more aggressive in getting cheap NLE in the hands of schools.

Avid still completely dominates the professional market but talk to anyone in school for the last 5 years and they were usually trained on FCP. Like marketing cigarettes to teenagers, Apple knew how to breed the next generation of editors.

Toss in some religious "Apple is the only way" brainwashing and it's not hard to see which way the wind is blowing:

"I am a Mac"
"And I'm a PC"
"I am young, hip, good looking, and NEVER break down"
"I'm old, slow, stupid, and unreliable"

Despite all that if you talking to a large production house that deals with film you are still going to find Avid as the trusted NLE. To date FCP still has an "iffy" history with reliably accurate matchback on their EDL's.

The world we live in right now has enough competition that if you are a professional editor you are going to have to know how to drive all the major choices. If the employer demands you drive a Ford, then that is what you gotta drive.

The irony being what Morten said. There are two types of editors out there; editors and FCP editors. The younger kids that have learned on FCP seem immune to learning anything else. It's FCP or I won't do it. Everyone else just adapts to whatever is put in front of them; a drill is a drill, they might have a preference but they can work with a Craftsmen or a Milwaukee Electric.

Don't be limited by your tool choices.
 
wabbit said:
Toss in some religious "Apple is the only way" brainwashing and it's not hard to see which way the wind is blowing:

"I am a Mac"
"And I'm a PC"
"I am young, hip, good looking, and NEVER break down"
"I'm old, slow, stupid, and unreliable"
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hoofandmouf said:
you're a gross, aging, balding, overweight Avid/everything else editor (has a hag wife or never gets ANY play)
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Hm. Well I guess I'll be changing the face of Avid editors everywhere! Enter the new Avid poster boy :) haha!
 
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