HVX200B? When?

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arrestthisman

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I know Jan said no new HVX200 this year, but that begs the question... when?

I just got my HVX200 a few months ago, so I'm a little late in the game. I know it's not that late, and it's everything I could ever want in a camera, but I'm always one for value, and I'm a little insecure about panny coming out with the sequel next year.

Actually as I write this, even if I sell this cam eventually and move to the revision if it has some killer feature, it would be worth it to learn the P2 workflow this year.

I'm not one for schooling. My learning comes from doing. It's not for everyone, but that's how I learn the best. So I'm not, by any means expressing regret.

Still, I think it's a valid question to ponder.... when will the revision arrive, and what are the likely improvements?

I doubt they'll change anything with the imager because it's already stunning.

I know they changed the DVX CCDs on the B revision to be less noisy. (Was it really that big of a difference?) So acutally, maybe that would be on the list?

Ideas?
 
Well my guess is that an HVX200a will come before a HVX200b... :)

I don't think we'll be seeing a major update to the HVX until at least NAB 2008 or 2009. Especially considering that the HVX has upgradable firmware.
 
Why does it matter?

You already have the camera, go shoot with it. It works and delivers stunning pictures. I don't understand the point of this thread.
 
I don't see any harm is evaluating what revisions seems destined for the HVX200. But I doubt we'll see a "killer feature."

What is more likely are minor updates.

Hopefully starting with the lousy 4 pin FW connector.
 
We might not get a 200a or b. We might get a 300 or 400. Think about what would make our lives easier.
1. SDI or HDMI Out instead of that lousy componenet out.
2. Timecode support so you could work easily on Union shoots with pro audio guys.
3. Improved Firewire connectivity
4. Improved LCD with 35mm flip capability.
5. Improved low light performance.

Those things warrant a new model number in my mind and maybe a $1,500 premium in price. Now with the threat of a Mini Red coming out, I am hoping that that Pany will give us an HJVX300 or 400 with the above stuff and 0 price increase.

I would hate to be Jan right now. "A Mini Red? WTF?" I can hear her calling Japan right now and starting to figure out how to compete against the unknown. I am sure the product managers at Canon and Sony are doing the same. No wait, Sony knows everything and will introduce another new format.

Oh and for me, Feature #6 would be to drop the tape all together and give me 1 or 2 more P2 slots. Heck I used the tape mechanism for the first time yesterday to transfer some foooty from a 100 in 24pa, and I could have used my deck, but I thought I might actually see if the tape mech worked.

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Rob
 
Dvinsight, the cam you are speaking of very nearly resembles the HPX500. Not sure panny wants to kill that segment. As for mini red? I don't think Panny gets too excited when they hear of more red vaporware.

Don't get me wrong, Red one is almost out, but the bottom line with anything red does is I will get excited about it when I can buy it. Touch it, feel it...not some BS reservation number. Until that day comes, I don't think any big manufacturer gets too excited about more of red's ruminations.
 
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Dvinsight, the cam you are speaking of very nearly resembles the HPX500. Not sure panny wants to kill that segment. As for mini red? I don't think Panny gets too excited when they hear of more red vaporware.

Don't get me wrong, Red one is almost out, but the bottom line with anything red does is I will get excited about it when I can buy it. Touch it, feel it...not some BS reservation number. Until that day comes, I don't think any big manufacturer gets too excited about more of red's ruminations.
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Agreed, what I speak of is very much like HVX500, except the 500 has interchangable lens, 2/3" sensors, and is in a larger ENG config. I say give us a 500 with a fixed lens, smaller sensor if Panny has to, and all the other goodies I mentioned and call it a 300 or 400 and price it under 9K and you would have a great product.

As far as Red goes, I don't think that vaporware is quite fitting. Just like when Apple came out with the original 300 dpi Laserwriter in the mid 80's using Adobe's Postscript imaging language. All of the big typesetting companies laughed at a $7,000 laser printer. Well that printer and the Mac was an industry changing event. I think the Red camera will be seen the same way a few years from now.

This time though, product managers know the score and have the opportunity to create competive products to the Red, and I think most will do so if management does not get in the way and try to "protect" their more expensive offerings.

As for me, I work with and like many aspects of my HVX200. But boy, I would really like it better if it just had SDI and time code. Yeah I know what Canon has, but I like my variable frame rates.

Give them all another 6 to 12 months and I think we will have many more things to think about.

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Rob
 
Interesting, you know I forgot about the firmware thing...

I think the components in the DVX100a/b are pretty much the same but the DVX did not have upgrable firmware.

The low light performance will be addressed via firmware maybe? I doubt they'd change the imagers with the kind of performance they get now...

Well, Bennis, according to your logic, why don't we just close down the forums? Why do we need to ask anything? We should just use our cameras?

Why are you on a board preaching about not talking?

To everyone else, thanks for the opinions. I agree wholeheartedly.

It's just with three versions in three years for the DVX, it begs the question for the HVX200.
 
As I pointed out on another thread, Red may change the indie filmmaking industry, but they are probably unable to put out the sheer numbers of cams that a large network or ENG force might require. Panny and Sony have nothign to worry about sales wise.

Yeah but it does 4K!!! - Great - give me 1000 of them next week....uh.....that's a problem.....

As much as I want a red.....until it's available I will call it the "Manana Cam" ...cause whenever you check on whether it's shipping they say...manana! LOL!
 
I dunno, if they paid in advance I bet RED would get the lead out!

Think about it. 15 and a half million for an advance order of body only cameras!

That almost 80- billion dollars!
 
Me thinks this camera is still flying off the shelves.

I would almost bet if/when we see an "A" model is will only include minor refinements, e.g., "the flip" but nothing major (or worth holding out for).

I shot almost two hours of the AVP Pro Volleyball event in Miami last weekend (handheld no less) and I'm doing cartwheels. Very difficult to beat this camera at the price point.

I sold my DVX when I moved to the HVX. I can't imagine an improvement that would cause me to off this cam for an "A" model.
 
I think any updates should just be through the firmware...and maybe the HDMI would be a nice feature..but not everything can be done with software...
 
Well interchangeable lens would be a good improvement but how about 1080P/24P recording and an uncompressed out connection and throw in a 20X zoom lens and that would be good. Besides that, the camera is perfect.
 
I worked the Pana booth all week. No one from Panasonic said anything about an updated HVX200. The big thrust was the HPX500. Many shooters would go back and forth all day between the Panasonic and Sony booths. Once they saw the P2 workflow and the quality difference between DVCPRO HD and XDCAM ER - it was a no-brainer. Many shooters were ordering an HVX and the HPX. 16 gigs cards start shipping in may for $900. The HPX500 packages will ship with 4-16 gig cards.
 
I love my cam and don't believe it will become obsolete any time soon. I just was curious. As I said there were so many versions of the DVX, it made me wonder.

I almost think that those DVX revisions were in prep for the HVX to make it perfect the first time round. They share much of the same software; the DVX-B and the HVX.

Yeah little things here and there. It will always be fixed lens because the HPX500 is the HVX200 with the intrchangable lens.

MMM....

I think firmware will cover 90% of any revisions and maybe an A revision would have an HDMI. Still I'd rather opt for hydra than the A revision whatever it may be.

God I'm just so happy about this. It's my birthday in a week, and I already have a cam that'll last me the next 5 -10 years. (with hydra).

uncomrpessed RAW 2k is the future. 4k is for theater only, really, just don't need it. Not knocking red at all. It's all great!

I think we're all damn damn lucky to live in this day and age where we have these tools. Quality aside, p2 has changed my life.

- Alex
 
arrestthisman said:
I think we're all ......... lucky to live in this day and age where we have these tools. Quality aside, p2 has changed my life.

- Alex
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Very true...it's interesting reading through various forums on the debates about this spec, that feature on various cams etc.etc...but in the big picture what an amazing age we live in, when the average Joe can purchase a device that can capture moving pictures and sound so simply....imagine if they'd had even dvx's for the last 500 years...imagine being able to view history in full moving colour....

Many of us don't have much of a clue about the people beyond our Grandparents...but for our descendents it will be a very different story...
 
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Mayoz...That is a great point. I need to call my stoner friends ASAP and tell them to ponder this while they listen to Jane's Addiction this 4/20 :)
 
Hi,

I read in a German Forum, where they have tested the HVX200 (http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Panasonic-HVX200.htmlhttp://www.slashcam.de) that around the end of this year the successor of the HX200 will be the HVX210 (so there will be no HVX200a or b ).

They don´t know anything in detail, but it was written in this article that Panasonic has confirmed that the new cam will be called HVX210. Belonging to rumors, the new cam will also provide SDI Outputs - but that is not confirmed (only rumors).

It was the first time, I read about an HVX210. Was this mentioned here before (then I missed it) ?
 
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