HVX200 Delivery Dates

FullRez said:
Is there any greater demand or just a shortage of units? Companies are known to do this on purpose to create hype for their product. Microsoft recently did this for the Xbox 360.
Well, it's hard to quantify actual demand - at least for those of us who don't have access to any numbers to crunch - but it's my guess that the demand for the HVX is far bigger than the demand for the JVC or the Canon. I think if any of the HDV cameras had a lot of demand, it was Sony's camera, who was first out the gate, unchallenged in the marketplace for almost a year, and did a great job marketing it as the only "HD" solution for the time. Of course now that there are other options, it isn't even a blip on most people's radar because anyone wanting to use it for filmmaking purposes is going to demand 24p at this point, and that's where the Sony really comes up short.

I don't believe that companies are intentionally providing low quantities of product simply to create "hype." From a business perspective, especially for the HVX and the XBox, it just doesn't make any sense. In order to compete in this marketplace where there are many options, you want to sell as many units of your product as possible so that it becomes as widely adopted as possible. Sony is coming out with their PS3 in a couple of months - a machine that offers 1080p, games on Blu-Ray discs, and superior processing units inside. Compared to the Xbox 360, which maxes out at 720p (for the games that even offer it), distributes all of their games at this point on regular DVD (how much HD content do you plan to pack on a 4GB disc?), and is a slower, older machine, they will already have an obsolete system by the time Sony ships. The only thing that will keep it alive is exclusive software content (a very big variable with video games) and the fact that some parents will refuse to turn around and buy another console for their kid after they just shelled out $400 for one at Christmas time. Believe me, Microsoft knows all of this and they want as many people to lay down money for their product as possible. My guess as to why the supply could not keep up with the demand in '05 was that they rushed to get as many machines built before Christmas as they could to take advantage of that huge selling opportunity, and in doing so, they didn't have the time or resources to make the 10 million machines that were craved by people around the country wanting "the next big console."

Similarly, Panasonic has nothing to gain at this point in time by delaying the camera on purpose just to "create hype." Have you seen the flood of posts around this and other forums of people frustrated and annoyed by the mythical "December 29th" shipping date that saw a worldwide release of just a handful of cameras? My guess is that if anything, they released their camera ahead of when they really felt comfortable because they just couldn't sit on the product any longer. They made the formal announcement back at NAB in April, and didn't deliver until essentially January of the following year. There's your time period for the camera to "build hype" (and boy, did it). But in a market filled with Sonys and JVCs and Canons - not to mention promises of even superior technology right around the corner from new companies (Red) and even Panasonic themselves, there is nothing to gain by sitting around on a stockpile of cameras and saying, "look at all of the hype we're creating!" Time is money. Panasonic knows that, and the buying public knows that.

Don't forget that not only does Panasonic have to push the HVX, but they have to push P2 as well. The more people that use it, the more established it becomes. If only 4 people in the world are shooting to P2, it doesn't give the format a lot of hope for longevity.

I'm sure that in many cases, new products (espeically ones with little or no competition) come out that delay shipments to create hype for their product (even if the product is ready to be shipped) so that upon launch, there is bigger demand. But I would guess that even for products with little competition, there isn't much to gain by only shipping a few units out to the masses. The goal is to make money by selling as many units possible.

I'm pretty sure that Panasonic would rather have an HVX in the hands of every man, woman, and child in America as opposed to some "cool hype" that nets them no sales by the time they can actually deliver.
 
So has anyone who pre-ordered from Spec-Comm gotten their camera yet? I've emailed them, but they haven't responded as to status of my pre-order, or even where I'm at in the pre-order list (got added to list in latter part of December).

It's a little annoying to see a bunch of folks who didn't pre-order getting their cameras within a couple days of ordering by going locally or with smaller outfits, while those of us got on these pre-order lists (and paid hefty deposits) wallow without any ETA's.
 
pccross said:
So has anyone who pre-ordered from Spec-Comm gotten their camera yet? I've emailed them, but they haven't responded as to status of my pre-order, or even where I'm at in the pre-order list (got added to list in latter part of December).

It's a little annoying to see a bunch of folks who didn't pre-order getting their cameras within a couple days of ordering by going locally or with smaller outfits, while those of us got on these pre-order lists (and paid hefty deposits) wallow without any ETA's.


I'm in the same boat as you. I pre-ordered in December and actually emailed Spec-Comm today and have yet to receive any response. I'm in the dark with regard to where I am on the list and whether or not they have been receiving any units yet. I would like to think that the list isn't too long since its a smaller dealer and there is a deposit required, but that is just wishful thinking.
 
I talked to Spec-Comm after the LAST supposed shipment (around the 26th, was it?) and they said they hadn't received any, and didn't feel right about giving out numbers....

Yes, it's strange that folks are getting the cameras faster if ordering now. If cameras ARE shipping, it seems fair to support the preorderers by shipping them to places with waiting lists. But what can you do? Hopefully it will all be sorted soon...
 
FullRez said:
How do you know this? Do you know how many units were manufactured from each company?

10 people want a Canon
10 people want a JVC
10 people want a Panasonic

Canon made 10
JVC made 10
Panasonic made 5.

Is there any greater demand or just a shortage of units? Companies are known to do this on purpose to create hype for their product. Microsoft recently did this for the Xbox 360.

This has nothing to do with manufacturing issues this has to do with marketing, sales and over all business strategy. If they haven't made enough to satisfy orders that doesn't prove anything about demand. Especially when compared to other camera manufactures. You need to know all the numbers or your statement as no basis for truth.


In terms of direct shipping numbers, no I don't have that information. BUT, there is indirect information to say demand is high or huge.

First, it is a high risk game to hold back units to generate marketing hype of high demand. Buyers may become pissed off and buy another camera.

Second, at DV Expo West, overall there were more people looking closely at the Panasonic than the Canon and even less looking at the JVC. I didn't take head counts and one could say this doesn't prove anything, but it does show more interest in the Panasonic.

Third, I can't find the level of messages being generated every day for the JVC or the Canon, like I see for the HVX-200. People are really talking about this camera. This suggests a STRONG interest in the camera.

Forth, even at the JVC presentation today, I heard people talking about the Panasonic HVX-200 during the break between presentations. Buyers are interested in this camera.


While I don't have the kind of numbers, liike the kind DataQuest provides, to me the information suggests high demand. Now let me flip it around, is there any evidence that would tell you that Panasonic is holding back units just to generate marketing hype?


Bob Diaz
 
BobDiaz said:
Now let me flip it around, is there any evidence that would tell you that Panasonic is holding back units just to generate marketing hype?

Bob Diaz
I really doubt that, Panasonic is in the business of making money not losing it.

The word I'm getting from most dealers is that it's just a matter of QC. Then again, that could be their way of calming buyers and giving them reasoning for the long wait.

There is a strange rant amongst a few dealers i've spoken to stating that a good number of HVX's aren't passing QC.

Whether it's QC reasons or not, the march of HVX's is quite slow so we must be lead to believe that there is something odd about the whole thing.

Look at the H1's release, it's going quite smoothly with readily available cameras from almost any shop. And I do know a few people who just bought an H1 so it's not a matter of lack of demand.

All in all I could care less. I honestly held back production and jobs with this camera back until atleast March due to the fact that I knew it would be a slow roll. But it's ok with me, I'd rather have Panasonic do whatever they're doing than f up like JVC did on their release.
 
Mr. Blonde said:
Look at the H1's release, it's going quite smoothly with readily available cameras from almost any shop. And I do know a few people who just bought an H1 so it's not a matter of lack of demand.release.

Looking at My XL1, I would say, they just don't bother with the QC at Canon and just ship whatever comes off the line.:grin:

I'm just kidding of course, they designed the flaws into the camera. soft focus, focus shift, 48.006khz, etc
 
AvidEditor27 said:
I'm in the same boat as you. I pre-ordered in December and actually emailed Spec-Comm today and have yet to receive any response. I'm in the dark with regard to where I am on the list and whether or not they have been receiving any units yet. I would like to think that the list isn't too long since its a smaller dealer and there is a deposit required, but that is just wishful thinking.

I spoke Spec Com today - they told they received some cameras today. They were filling October pre-orders now.
 
Yep, I too got phone call from Andrew at Spec. Comm. relaying that same information (currently fulfilling October pre-orders). Appreciate them providing us updates.
I just hope I'm able to get the camera from them by the end of this month (Feb.), given forthcoming job in early March timeframe.
 
I also got a call from Spec-Comm today. They've been highly responsive and excellent in keeping us informed of what's going on in this complicated situation. 3 cheers and high recommendations!

-Barry
 
Crossing my fingers! I just got a call from my local dealer here in Burbank. He said I might be getting my camera tonight! Sleep will no longer be an option...
 
ullanta said:
I also got a call from Spec-Comm today. They've been highly responsive and excellent in keeping us informed of what's going on in this complicated situation. 3 cheers and high recommendations!

-Barry

Spec-comm have been great. While I haven't liked waiting so long they made it bearable by keeping me informed every step of the way. I will be buying more from them in the future for sure.
 
Its kind of irritating hearing about people getting their HVX this week. I called EVS and they said that they haven't recieved the next shipment yet. I not saying anything bad about EVS. Rush and the guys over there have been very helpful and forthcoming with the info they've been given. But why in the hell is it taking them so long to get their shipment of HVXs in? I mean Glendale isn't that far away from Washington.
 
ullanta said:
I also got a call from Spec-Comm today. They've been highly responsive and excellent in keeping us informed of what's going on in this complicated situation. 3 cheers and high recommendations!

-Barry


Yes they have been. I spoke too soon yesterday but today I received a call from Andrew updating me on the status of my order. Very professional I must say.
 
Thanks guys. We will continue to keep everyone on our list posted with any news we may get.

Andrew Hoffman
Specialized Communications
 
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