hvx vs scarlet

All im gonna say is this.

The Scarlet will be great because if it puts out a stellar image, essentially what will happen is, everyone will buy one, and it will be the great equalizer. Then as is what happened with the HVX200, the talented individuals will rise to the top of the market, not because they have the hottest gear, but because they have the skills neccesary to make the hottest gear looks good.

Im looking forward to it.... theres gonna be some great 3k floating around... and alot of REALLLY bad 3k floating around.
 
I've worked with a Red and the shooting process was painfully slow. I shoot indy features and can work rather quickly with the HVX.

For anyone who's interested, keep in mind that the Red cameras are suited for large productions, with large crews and ACs. There is nothing quick about shooting Red (in my experience.)
 
you need a proper 1st AC, monitor, bigger tripod, support systems, etc.. all needs a bigger/more experienced crew.

at 4k, you need to be precise with focus. even more so than HD.
 
TimurCivan said:
you need a proper 1st AC, monitor, bigger tripod, support systems, etc.. all needs a bigger/more experienced crew.

at 4k, you need to be precise with focus. even more so than HD.
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Timur:

When shooting with the RED One at 4K, how are people getting accurate focus with just 1080 capable monitors?

Same with Scarlet. As we have all learned, it's almost pointless to shoot handheld with certain cameras in certain situations because it's almost impossible to focus the camera accurately unless you have an AC pulling focus for you.

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When we were shooting with the RED we were measuring for focus. That was the most accurate for us.

I wouldn't say the RED is any slower than shooting film. When you are offloading HDDs it takes a while. Especially when putting them on redundant drives.

You need a full camera department though. It is exactly like shooting film - with some different nuances. It isn't a point and shoot camera - that's for sure.
 
Mattykins said:
When we were shooting with the RED we were measuring for focus. That was the most accurate for us.

I wouldn't say the RED is any slower than shooting film. When you are offloading HDDs it takes a while. Especially when putting them on redundant drives.

You need a full camera department though. It is exactly like shooting film - with some different nuances. It isn't a point and shoot camera - that's for sure.
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EXACTLY. you need capable people for each job... Tape measure and marks have worked for the Film workflow for years..., in film there is no Monitor for the 1st.... well actually there is, but just shows the video tap which you never use anyway for focus...

you set up marks, on the FF, and use that... its SCARY as hell if youre not used to it. this is why its SOOO important for actors to hit their marks...
 
I'm with you Shropshire (Slasher?). I'm a big Panasonic fan, and am eagerly awaiting reviews of the forthcoming 170. But the more I read about the Scarlet, the more I start to see the 170 as overpriced and underfeatured by comparison.
 
As a general reminder, the Scarlet might sound amazing, but at this point doesn't yet exist.

We just need to wait and see what happens.
 
Mattykins said:
As a general reminder, the Scarlet might sound amazing, but at this point doesn't yet exist.

We just need to wait and see what happens.
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I've been following Red long enough and have used the Red One enough to not have any doubts about the Scarlet.

3K resolution, 120 fps continuous in 3k, 180fps in 3k for 5 seconds, HDMI out, CF cards (or better), for $3000. That's pretty hard to beat.

Not to mention it likely will have in camera ramping, a sweet piece of glass and the workflow keeps getting easier and easier, much like what happened with P2
 
Jim Simon said:
I'm with you Shropshire (Slasher?). I'm a big Panasonic fan, and am eagerly awaiting reviews of the forthcoming 170. But the more I read about the Scarlet, the more I start to see the 170 as overpriced and underfeatured by comparison.
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Actually, I've not seen anything firm about Scarlet. And what I've read is basically conjecture.

That was the nature of One, and all or most or none of that conjecture will or might be implemented.

I don't think we'll see Scarlet until NAB2009. And from I've read, a fully outfitted Scarlet will run more than a HPX170.

Actually editing and CC should be interesting as well.
 
David S. said:
Actually, I've not seen anything firm about Scarlet. And what I've read is basically conjecture.
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Well, they do have specs listed on the RED site, and Jim said back in July that the specs are now locked down.
Then again... he has also insinuated that they've got a few surprises still to reveal.
But - I think we have at least an idea of what to expect.

And from I've read, a fully outfitted Scarlet will run more than a HPX170.
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Sure, but that will always be the case - won't it?
I mean, a 'fully outfitted' HPX170 will run as much as an EX-3 probably.
And a 'fully outfitted' EX-3 could run as much as an HPX500... etc etc.

Actually editing and CC should be interesting as well.
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That is definitely going to be the most interesting thing to watch develop.
It's going to be a fascinating year.
 
Luis.

I think we're are saying the same thing -- you should said it better.

My point is that Scarlet has yet to reach Golden Master, so to speak. Comparisons now are still conjecture.

We looked strongly as Scarlet, but feel that it is far more efficient to deal with DVCProHD than what Scarlet will produce.

And we don't have any need for anything bigger than 1080.
 
David S. said:
My point is that Scarlet has yet to reach Golden Master, so to speak. Comparisons now are still conjecture.
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Absolutely - not only conjecture, but completely meaningless seeing as we're comparing things available today to a virtually unknown to arrive in roughly 7 months.
It's easy for people to get wrapped up in these sorts of things because the 'future' camera will always seem more appealing.
And it should... considering it doesn't exist yet.
:)

We looked strongly as Scarlet, but feel that it is far more efficient to deal with DVCProHD than what Scarlet will produce.
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This is exactly why as of now I'm planning on getting a Scarlet as soon as its released - but I will not be getting rid of my HPX170 (which I'll hopefully get upon release). Too much of my work right now depends on fitting into people's existing workflows.

Scarlet will hopefully be the big splash everyone is hoping for - but I have to make sure I can still make a living while I wait for the water to settle back down.
 
And now everyone's point on why you shouldn't compare cams before the exist becomes painfully clear....

RED announced today that Scarlet's specs are changing - details are forthcoming.
:)
 
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