HVX price point, 422 options

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brianluce

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If the HVX for some reason is a train wreck or never is released, out of curiousity, are there any other compact, portable cameras at the HVX's suggested price point (6k) that can shoot 4:2:2?
 
Train Wreck?! are you mad :)

Thats hard to envisage, it could happen but not very likely.

Panasonic is throwing everything in (inlcuding the sink), its got great specs.
 
Well, I want to see it first. I'm not so sure. They must'a made some compromises to justify the price-point, and obviously, Panasonic isn't going to highlight them to us...

Better wait untill the camcorder's here before making too much assumptions...
 
It seems that DVCPro50 and DVCProHD decks cost a lot to manufacture, and they are both absent in the HVX.
It could explain why Panasonic can keep the price to a reasonnable level.

If the HVX has a good dynamic range, ...then it will be a phenomenal tool.

Can't wait to see the footage.
 
mezelf27 said:
Well, I want to see it first. I'm not so sure. They must'a made some compromises to justify the price-point, and obviously, Panasonic isn't going to highlight them to us...

Better wait untill the camcorder's here before making too much assumptions...
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You're right -- of course they made compromises, and those are fairly well documented. All were done to keep the price down. Some (eg, third-inch CCDs, fixed lens) will have some bearing on image quality, whereas others (eg, no recording to tape except for DV) won't. No one expects the HVX's footage to be as good as that possible with HD-CAM or Varicam, but considering some reports about how well the Z1's footage intercuts with the HD-CAM's, I expect the HVX to be impressively close to HD-CAM/Varicam quality.
 
I've been around long enough to know that some things just don't live up to the hype. ya the HVX seems like the ****...but...
 
i have to agree there has to be some trade off for a cam to be priced at $6k. Remember the JVC's HDV cameras? boy they were great to be true but when it came out it was something else-dissappointed. Yeah even the Sony HDV's the specs great but one major flaw thing that we filmmakers can't live without-the 24p.
 
There are some HUGE trade offs with the HVX200. Here's a few:

1/3" Chips
No HD tape transport
Non interchangable lens
Current P2 storage limitations (due to change however)

Those are just a couple off the top of my head; I could come up with a few more. I'm not trying to sound negative to the HVX200 at all, I'm just pointing out some of the reasons they're able to put this camera out for $6K.
 
I wouldn't surprised if there would be more... But we'll have to wait and see...

It is certain some trade-offs are made. Which ones, is not something manufacturers are going to tell us... How much of an issue they will be will depend on 1) personal taste and 2) what the exact nature of the trade-off is...

On another point. If the CCDs would have 1440x1080 pixels (...if...), the low light performace would be horrible, right?
 
mezelf27 said:
On another point. If the CCDs would have 1440x1080 pixels (...if...), the low light performace would be horrible, right?
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Not necessarily. While it is true that there is an inverse relationship between pixel density and light sensitivity, there are a number of factors that come into play: signal processing logic, pixel array design (photodetector type and the positioning of the photodetector within the pixel) and manufacture (material used), and light-sensitivity variability within the pixel array. Besides, HDVPro HD at 1,440 x 1,080 is standard only at 50i -- at 60i, 1,280 x 1,080 is standard. But that raises an interesting question: since it's likely that the HVX's CCDs will employ some form of pixel shift, will the HVX200e's have more pixels horizontally or just be pixel-shifted more?
 
brianluce said:
the point is, this thing sounds too good to be true.
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Think about how cheap razor are but how expensive the blades are.

Panasonic want to get everyone using P2, because then they will make a lot of money. Hopefully that means we get an overspeced, underpriced camera to lure us in. That's my theory anyway. I'm sure there are other factors in there too, like Panasonic making loads of money whilst selling HVX, but I think we get a bargain to raise interest in P2 cards.

Picture wise I am sure the camera will be capable of great things at its best, and bad at its worst.
 
mmm said:
Think about how cheap razor are but how expensive the blades are.
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Used to be called the Gilette/Polaroid syndrom.
Can't have bad feelings about. You pay what you
use or how much you can afford.

Best,
Peter
 
harlan said:
There are some HUGE trade offs with the HVX200. Here's a few:

1/3" Chips
No HD tape transport
Non interchangable lens
Current P2 storage limitations (due to change however)

Those are just a couple off the top of my head; I could come up with a few more. I'm not trying to sound negative to the HVX200 at all, I'm just pointing out some of the reasons they're able to put this camera out for $6K.
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what about environmental seal and other physical built? let's talk about digital camera for a few minutes. There's the Canon 1Ds Mark II 16mg which has environmental seal and sell for over 5 times than say example, Canon 20D 8 meg $1400.00. Then they came out with Canon 5D 12mg which is about $3200.00 that still doesn't have the environmental seal and the sturdy built quality as the high end cameras.
maybe i'm thinking too much. but I'm still gonna get the HVX.
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mmm said:
Think about how cheap razor are but how expensive the blades are.

Panasonic want to get everyone using P2, because then they will make a lot of money. Hopefully that means we get an overspeced, underpriced camera to lure us in. That's my theory anyway. I'm sure there are other factors in there too, like Panasonic making loads of money whilst selling HVX, but I think we get a bargain to raise interest in P2 cards.

Picture wise I am sure the camera will be capable of great things at its best, and bad at its worst.
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good point. it's like selling printers cheap to make money on cartridges. however the p2 does seem to have a few workarounds, like firestore and laptops...
 
I disagree, because in no time there wille be third-party-P2-cards....
For a lot less, and Panny won't make that much money out of it anyway.

Or adapters for 3th party cards that are a lot cheaper...

Well, It is 'only' 1/3 inch, with perhaps full resolution CCD. Well, then you need lots and lots of light. particularly in progressive frame modes...

If it would use pixels-shifting: well, there you have your trade-off... Then it is some sort of interpolation. I'd rather have real 720p then, perhaps...
 
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