Hvr-V1e

Barry_Green said:
Naw, they already did that (D-VHS, a high-def recording format on VHS tape). That's almost obsolete already...
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I must of missed that!! But I'm still happy with my Panasonic VCR. I just recorded a movie last with it last night!!
 
Bye the pic it looks small... some how I don't think this cam will look better than Z1U...

We will see... I Think they may the Z1 too good and put too much power in the indie guys hands. This might be one of those back step moves to consumer it down. but just a wild guess...
 
The Z1 is a killer camera, regardless of a lack of 24p. I use it weekly to make short films with my students, and I produced a short last winter shot on it. I also don't see the V1u being "consumered-down" because of the Z1. I think the V1 may be more indie filmmaker oriented than the Z1, at least in marketing. I'll still be using a Z1 even if I don't buy a V1 immediately. If I need a camera now, I'll use the best tool for the job that's available NOW.

Even though Sony's sensor size is 960x1080, how can you guys be down on that and praise the HVX200? Its sensor size is 960x540 and it records in 960x720 and 1280x1080. I'm thinking more pixels on the Sony, but I may be wrong. The Canon has the most with its sensor size of 1440x1080, but having used all the high end HDV/DVCPro HD cameras (Sony, JVC, Canon, Panasonic), my eye tells me the images are very close to each other (Sony in 50i with CF25 looks a lot like Canon's 24f and Panasonic's 24p; JVC's look is a bit different, but still 24p).

As for the V1u, who knows what Sony has cooking up, but if you think about it: progressive; HDV now includes 24p in the spec; JVC, Canon and Panasonic offer 24p/f. I believe that the V1u will offer 60i, 30p and 24p. Since the Z1u isn't going anywhere, with its 60i/50i, I don't know if the V1u will have 50i/25p or not. Even the Canon out of the box doesn't have 50i/25f--you pay to have it added on.

Just my educated guess/gut feeling/.02.

heath

ps-Too bad DVHS never took off; that was going to be one of my ways of mastering my HDV content...Guess that's why I'm still using minidv!
 
The Panasonic HVX-200 is much better than the Sony Z1 because the Panasonic shoots full progressive high definition 720p video at 60 frames per second. Not even the Sony V1 can do that. At high framerates the Sony can only do interlace video. Therefore the Panasonic is much better for fast action sports and movies.
 
^ Huh? FYI, The V1 does FULL-PROGRESSIVE at "1080P". It doesnt "drop" to interlaced at any time. It just records the progressive image as interlaced in output to make it compatible with existing editing solutions. That does not in any way affect the image quality.
 
The HVX doesn't shoot at 1080i, either, it shoots at 1080i 24p, according to their manual. And don't forget, the HVX is stretching pixels or something when going from 960x540 (its sensor size) to 960x720 or 1280x1080.

heath
 
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The problem with the Sony V1 is that it can not capture high frame rate full high definition progressive video at 60 frames per second. The progressive framerate of the Sony is limited to 25 frames per second. The Panasonic HVX200 on the other hand can capture full high definition progressive scan video at 60 frames per second. This makes the Panasonic the winner for the fast action sports and fast action movies. And the Panasonic has superior color reproduction at 4:2:2 while the Sony only gives you 4:2:0 color.
 
Heath McKnight said:
The HVX doesn't shoot at 1080i, either, it shoots at 1080i 24p, according to their manual. And don't forget, the HVX is stretching pixels or something when going from 96x540 (its sensor size) to 960x720 or 1280x1080.

heath
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Its called pixelshift, the same XL1 use to create SD image. And the same Andromeda use to create HD.

Stretch is when it goes from 1280*1080 to 1920*1080 and 960*720 to 1280*720 on the displays.

And yes Sony cant create 60fps 1080P nor can the HVX200. It can create 60fps 720P.

In theory Sony can create 60fps 540P with a slight edge on HorRes.
 
androbot2084 said:
The problem with the Sony V1 is that it can not capture high frame rate full high definition progressive video at 60 frames per second. The progressive framerate of the Sony is limited to 25 frames per second. The Panasonic HVX200 on the other hand can capture full high definition progressive scan video at 60 frames per second. This makes the Panasonic the winner for the fast action sports and fast action movies. And the Panasonic has superior color reproduction at 4:2:2 while the Sony only gives you 4:2:0 color.
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By that accound the CineAlta is better than the HVX!

The point is, the HVX with its P2 architecture is a more expensive alternative than the V1 (or even the Z1) so you get what you pay for. "At the price" the V1 is the best true progressive camera out there.

Besides, people like McGregor have practically shown that the Fx1/Z1 de-interlaced with a good de-interlacer can be very suitable for high-speed action. Check out his clips for a confirmation!
 
Why wouldnt you use a BLackMagic or Kona card to do that (for this one very specific instance) ?

An yes, a BM card along with a V-1 is "still" cheaper than the HVX.
 
Fugitive said:
"At the price" the V1 is the best true progressive camera out there.

Besides, people like McGregor have practically shown that the Fx1/Z1 de-interlaced with a good de-interlacer can be very suitable for high-speed action. Check out his clips for a confirmation!
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but now he's working on canon's.. thus, i'd bet a1 not v1..
 
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