HV 20 announced

DammitJanet said:
I guess I'm just biased because I have this nagging feeling that my A1's heads are going to explode every time I capture footage from the thing.
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Maybe Barry could answer this, but I really wonder how many DVX owners actually went out and bought professional DV decks to augment their personal camera? I think a good number of them bought cheapo DV camcorders to do the dirty work, or just dealt with the fact that they had to capture from the camcorder, and maybe later on realized it wasn't such a big deal, unless they were shooting a ton of material every day.
 
Well put. I was one of those guys that used a smaller cheaper (to the tune of $250) cam to capture from my DVX, and I really wish I could do the same thing with the A1. I guess I'm just gonna have to deal with it for now, but maybe you're right and it's not that damaging to the cam. Sorry to ruffle feathers, but I guess I get a little anal about equipment wear and tear. Thanks for the input. :)
 
Barry_Green said:
A Big German broadcaster may not have bought it, but the biggest Indian broadcaster, NDTV, bought nothing but HVXs. The Weather Channel bought HVXs. Raycom Media bought 82 HVXs. It's a professional tool used by professionals.

The BBC did buy some Z1s, but they specifically told their shooters *not* to use them for HDV, they were only to be used for standard-def 16:9. When the BBC wanted a handheld HD camera to use for the Olympics, they used the HVX.

And Sony won't have anything to do with AVC-Intra, that's a Panasonic-only format.
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So? You want a list from companies that did not buy it? That said a non-shoulder cam is no good for shooting news? The Dutch broadcasters bought many PD170's to shoot SD, we call it prosumer cams. And the BBC tried the HVX (how much 4?) and decided to leave it like that. They want to finish the HD experiments first.

The used Olympic HVX's cams and the monitors were for sale. As I understand, the general opinion by EU broadcasters is, that P2 is a system they can invest in, but they look for the professional Panasonic shoulder cams, definitely not the HVX.

And Sony told the world that they wait what AVC-HD is doing. (that is what I read) And that an intraframe version was problematic and not ready to go.
 
Elton said:
Maybe Barry could answer this, but I really wonder how many DVX owners actually went out and bought professional DV decks to augment their personal camera?
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Don't know the number, but I would guess somewhere around 5% to 10%. I did, but I also wanted/needed the large cassette capability.

I think a good number of them bought cheapo DV camcorders to do the dirty work, or just dealt with the fact that they had to capture from the camcorder, and maybe later on realized it wasn't such a big deal, unless they were shooting a ton of material every day.
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Agreed completely. There's a lot of paranoia about "using up" the camera's heads. If you were working in a news station and shuttling tape across the heads all day long, yes I'd worry too. But for most users, they seem to put on a hundred or maybe 200 hours on their heads per year. A professional cam can easily handle that workload; you should be able to go 1000 to 2000 hours before the heads need replacing.

The biggest advantage to a deck (or a mini-cam as a "deck") is that it frees up your $4,000 camcorder to go do the job it does best, instead of being tethered and tied up to do a job that a $299 mini-cam could do equally well.
 
xray said:
So? You want a list from companies that did not buy it?
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You started it by saying that Germans didn't buy it. We could go back and forth all day long. What's the point? It's a professional tool sold by the professional broadcast division, which has been adopted in large numbers. Some buyers are going to buy 2/3" (like the Australian Broadcast Corp). Some are going to buy handheld (like Raycom). Some are going to buy Sony. JVC even has a press release on the Cow where they sold a couple of HD250's to some station somewhere. It takes all types to make the world go round.

And Sony told the world ... that an intraframe version was problematic and not ready to go.
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Of course they did. They don't have anything to compete with it. They're still trying to push MPEG-2 on the market! They're betting the farm on long-GOP compression. It's the only card they have available to play.
 
Barry_Green said:
There's a lot of paranoia about "using up" the camera's heads. If you were working in a news station and shuttling tape across the heads all day long, yes I'd worry too. But for most users, they seem to put on a hundred or maybe 200 hours on their heads per year. A professional cam can easily handle that workload; you should be able to go 1000 to 2000 hours before the heads need replacing.

The biggest advantage to a deck (or a mini-cam as a "deck") is that it frees up your $4,000 camcorder to go do the job it does best, instead of being tethered and tied up to do a job that a $299 mini-cam could do equally well.
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Thanks, Barry. You just put my mind at ease.
 
Barry_Green said:
Some buyers are going to buy 2/3" (like the Australian Broadcast Corp).
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Thats true Barry but I have seen the HVX in use by ABC productions in the field. One example is a comedy that uses the HVX for its on the street stuff, talking to passers by, celebs etc.
 
Oooh, excellent. No mention of it in the press release, they only talked about 2/3" cams there, but I would expect that they'd buy a number of HVXs too. Everybody needs one-person/handheld/crash cams!
 
It seems silly too me as well. I say drop the hard drive, drop the price $500 and it will be have better competition with the HV20. Hv20 will still have probably better lowlight, 24p, a larger chip and yet less expensive. I would also be willing to bet a more detailed image as well. I love Panasonic, but the timing and pricing are off. At the $2,000 range I was hoping for a DVC30 type cam, with Xlrs, and 1/4 ccds.
 
Engadget:

...Japan's Impress Watch are first to get their hands on a unit for review and although we had to read it using machine translation, it's easy to see that they are, er, impressed. Issues with low light shooting that plagued the HV10 seem to have been resolved on the HV20. While the CMOS sensor remains the same size, they've added the noise reduction technology found in their EOS camera lineup to bring low-light sensitivity down from 5lux to 3lux. In fact, the HV20 "eradicates" the HV10's weaknesses "entirely." Impress will be hitting a review of Sony's comparable HDR-HC7 -- a similarly spec'd HDV camcorder that also supports the xvYCC standard found in HDMI 1.3 for wider color range and space -- to see how they stack up side-by-side. No worries, you can wait, the HV20 won't hit US stores until April...

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20070207/zooma294.htm

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Norbert said:
This camera definitely has the wow factor, but it still lacks what the A1 lacks - cheap, tapeless workflow. I can't help to think that Canon has to jump the AVCHD-recording-to-SD-card-wagon pretty soon and that they are trying to sell as many new HDV cameras as possible before that happens.
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I have no problem with tape.
 
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