HV 20 announced

[t-h-e-w-h-o]

That's my point. I have an HVX, but wanted an A1 as well. I was going to get an HV10 but everytime I got to Best Buy, something just said "hold off". I guess this is why.

I mean, 1k for 24p, HDMI-out, and Canon quality sharpness? Definitely. I'll probably skip the out-of-state order and just go to Best Buy or Circuit City to pick one up when it hits shelves.

The HDMI is of special interest, because you could effectively use this sharp camera tethered for Greenscreen shooting, capturing straight to PhotoJPEG. And it's not to say that you can't do a great job with the HVX, or tether, or yadda yadda. It is.
Just, wow. Go Canon.

dude, go B&H for your purchase, i gurantee it will be $300 cheaper than worst buy or circuit shi*ty... Yeah, HDMI out is a deff bonus. I love panny, but im happy to see canon owning this scene with affordable quality gear. I love my A1, i would love my HVX, but i dont own one. Point is this is a great deal. Now i gotta decide Hv10 or carbon fiber hood for my GTi MkV. lol money money money.

 

[BARYE]

Aw darn. But, either way, time to put aside a little extra moneys. No iPhone for me.

Camcorderinfo is saying:

".... Canon has stated that details ... will be made available closer to the ship date of mid-April."

Their HV20 preview is the most comprehensive that I've seen.

 

[Kholi]

Camcorderinfo is saying:

".... Canon has stated that details ... will be made available closer to the ship date of mid-April."

Their HV20 preview is the most comprehensive that I've seen.

CAnon has the HV20 up on their page and I think part of it says April. So April it is!

 

[Zim]

I thought I read,,,April..I hope sooner

 

[Filmjunkie677]

Who would have thought in 2007 you could walk into a best buy or circuity city and buy a 24P Camcorder. Not me... lol.

 

[t-h-e-w-h-o]

CAnon has the HV20 up on their page and I think part of it says April. So April it is!

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[BARYE]

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works for me -- but just go to camcorderinfo's main page -- its the lead article

 

[Kholi]

http://usa.canon.com/app/html/See_The_Difference/hd_cmos.shtml

There's the best HV10 footage I've seen. Hope the HV20 gets close to that in 24p goodness.

 

[xray]

Hopla. 25p (25F out? ) HDMI, low weight and good OIS to handle on a Steadycam Merlin. That combined with the A1 gives enormous shooting/editing flexibility.

 

[Norbert]

This camera definitely has the wow factor, but it still lacks what the A1 lacks - cheap, tapeless workflow. I can't help to think that Canon has to jump the AVCHD-recording-to-SD-card-wagon pretty soon and that they are trying to sell as many new HDV cameras as possible before that happens.

Anyway, if Panasonic doesn't come up with anything better before April, I'm buying one. The only real downside to this camera is that it doesn't have a focus ring.

 

[Barry_Green]

Y'know, that's something that's stuck in the back of my head since hearing the announcement. Because Canon *did* join the AVC-HD coalition. And 1080/24P is an officially-supported AVC-HD recording mode.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Canon makes an AVC-HD version of this camera in the near future.

 

[Noel Evans]

Dont want to put your precious camera on a car mount, dangerous shot - this certainly creates another option.

I cant imagine using this on a professional shoot based on form factor, we are already pushing the boundaries on that as it is.

Interesting to see how this cuts with the A1. Could make the possibility of a cheap two cam set up for narrative.

Certainly would be a great little cam for BTS.

Y'know, that's something that's stuck in the back of my head since hearing the announcement. Because Canon *did* join the AVC-HD coalition. And 1080/24P is an officially-supported AVC-HD recording mode.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Canon makes an AVC-HD version of this camera in the near future.

Me neither due to the fact that AVC-HD is being promoted everywhere here on the consumer level. Go to the main train stations around Tokyo and subway and youll see a poster of someone using some brand of small form factor consumer cam with AVC-HD with an endless supply of SD cards. SD card prices are falling and will continue to do so.

 

[Mirezzi]

Forgive my stupidity, but can somebody give a quick primer on AVC-HD and what the implications are for future HD camcorders?

 

[agwah]

would this adapter
http://www.mobl.com/expansion/products/expresscard_expansion/index.html

and this card
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/software/

make it possible to record to a mac book pro from the hdmi

is it possible to compress it to a cineform or jpg2000 codec on capture to make the data rate low enough to have it come out through the firewire port onto a hard drive

or does it need another sata port for a raid but there arent't two express card slots, is it then possible to divide the card slot into two and provide both card expansion for the blackmagic and then another cable to a raid
http://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-2sm2-e/

it just seems so sweetly portable and inexpensive

 

[Zak Forsman]

Wow. Canon is out for blood. $1,099 for 24p... that opens up the market to so many more people!

How odd that it claims to record 24P in 60i; that's not how 24F does it. I wonder if they're choosing to avoid the proprietary 24F in favor of universal playback capability, seeing as this is a strictly consumer product and therefore the consumer wouldn't be likely to understand why their tapes won't play back in their friend's Sony? Smart move by Canon, I think... the last thing the consumer needs is more confusion.

i'm reading that 24F is limited to three chip acquisition because it requires pixel shift technology.

 

[Barry_Green]

For origination, maybe. But the recording format is just 24 progressive frames (without pulldown), so that should have nothing to do with the CCDs etc.

 

[Zak Forsman]

For origination, maybe. But the recording format is just 24 progressive frames (without pulldown), so that should have nothing to do with the CCDs etc.

this is what Chris Hurd says: "But what about Canon's Frame mode, found on their XL and XH series of High Definition camcorders... why not just use that technology in the HV20? The answer lies in the fact that Frame mode relies heavily on a process called Pixel Shift, which is used only in three-chip camcorders such as the Canon XL H1 (the process involves offsetting the green image sensor one-half pixel in the horizontal axis relative to the blue and red image sensors). Since the HV20 is only a single-chip camcorder, it can't have Pixel Shift. Without Pixel Shift, there's no Frame mode. This isn't an issue, though, because the CMOS sensor in the HV20 is already progressive to begin with... it doesn't need Frame mode, which transforms an interlaced video signal into a progressive one. "

 

[Barry_Green]

Right, and that all makes sense. But that all takes place prior to it getting recorded.

The difference I'm talking about is: okay, you have 24 progressive frames, how are you going to record it? In the XHA1/XHG1/XLH1, they record it as 24 progressive frames. In the HV20, they record it as 60 fields. Quality-wise, and for edit-friendliness, the 24-frame-only recording of the other cameras would be better. But, y'know what? It's probably a relatively moot point. If you want better quality, you'll pony up for the better camera -- this is a $1099 product after all! So, never mind...

 

[Mirezzi]

If you want better quality, you'll pony up for the better camera -- this is a $1099 product after all! So, never mind...

Indeed, and if your ultimate goal is mating B-roll footage to your *better* camera, then this HV20 is a great companion to the XH series cameras. Hell, even the HV10 is great for that.

 

[Elton]

The HDMI is of special interest, because you could effectively use this sharp camera tethered for Greenscreen shooting, capturing straight to PhotoJPEG. And it's not to say that you can't do a great job with the HVX, or tether, or yadda yadda. It is.
Just, wow. Go Canon.

What's pretty crazy about the HV20 is it has a slightly larger than 1/3" chip and it is full raster, with no pixel shifting of any kind.

I would imagine that the HDMI out, if the live signal does indeed bypass HDV compression entirely, would be a true 1920 x 1080 image in full progressive glory.

I think I'll take that for a grand.