Hpx300 rumors

Barry,
How is the low light performance? I really find this the weakest link of all 1/3" chip cams.
Also, which camera would you prefer to own - the 300 or 500?

Now that Discovery HD cleared the 500 for Silver projects, will this camera be far behind?
 
Hi Dan,

Yes I am. I can say that this camera has been designed with the input from this group. We put in what we could and still hit the price point. I think it will definitely hit the ground running. It really has a nice form and function factor.

Best,

Jan
 
Noel Says: 500 will blow this out of the water.

Kholi Thinks: Maybe.But, Better Codec and a Sharper image? If you asked me if the HPX500 blew the EX1 out of the water image-wise I'd say hell no. I guess others would disagree.

Footage will tell all.
 
alpi69 said:
exactly.....why would anyone buy the HPX300 now when they can get the HPX500 for almost the same price?
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Nobody would. The HPX300 is $10700 with lens. The HPX500 is $14,000 no lens, add $8000 for a lens. See they aren't the same price. Now these are list prices but the discounts on both are similar so you wil end up with a similar differential. In otherwods, you won't get an HPX500 for $12000 with lens. And you won't pay $10700 for the HPX300.

They are very different cameras.

Best,

Jan
 
markyf said:
The irony of this CMOS thing is too much. I can't wait to see Jan playing down jello. This will be great!
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I couldn't nor wouldn't downplay jello. I will point out that every tool has its strength and the competency of the DP will be the mastery of the toolset. Knowing what the tool will do and staging the take correctly is what one has to do. DPs have done that with film for years. It does mean you have to know more than pushing the record button.

I hope I LIVED UP TO YOUR EXPECTATIONS. ;-)

Best,

Jan
 
Noel Evans said:
It is mate, but is that the only consideration, esp when your mostly shooting for broadcast and not screen?
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No, not only, but a major. As we move into a High-Def world actual HI-DEF content that looks HI-DEF is pretty important. At least to me. Once you start shoving footage through pipelines you lose plenty... HPX500 doesn't have all that much to offer in comparison to what's around it.


I considered the HPX500 for quite some time but I could never find the oomph to jump on it, it was mostly because the image didn't justify the price leap from the hVX200A (Sigh... I miss you) when I looked at the quality it put out.

So, yeah, I'm more open to the thought that the HPX300 will still overthrow the 500 when you consider CMOS combined with AVC-Intra.
 
I guess he is working on it. I know I used some of his and Kevin's footage at the press conference today, and I thought it was just beautiful. But I am sure he is doing his best to puzzle it all together as he always does.

Best,

Jan
 
vanvideo said:
Barry,
How is the low light performance? I really find this the weakest link of all 1/3" chip cams.
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Smaller chips and denser pixels will always lead to lesser low light performance as compared to larger chips. But I found the 300 to be comparable to the HPX170, which was really quite impressive.

Also, which camera would you prefer to own - the 300 or 500?
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Good question. And I don't have the answer. There's a lot to like about each of them. I vastly prefer the LCD, the viewfinder, and the WFM on the 300. But the 500 has the shallower DOF and better sensitivity afforded by its 2/3" chips. The 300 is sharper. The 500 has no rolling shutter issues. The 300's lenses are less expensive.

Grrr. Tough choice.

If I could get 'em for the same price, I'd go with the 500. Mainly because I've already got an HPX170, so the point of getting the bigger cam would be for the DOF control... but if the 500+lens is $5,000 or more than the 300+lens, then the 300 becomes way more attractive...

Now that Discovery HD cleared the 500 for Silver projects, will this camera be far behind?
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Can't speak for what they will do. They haven't certified any 1/3" camera as anything above bronze, have they? But there hasn't been a 1/3" 1920x1080 camera before, and they said the reason the HVX200 didn't get ranked higher than the HDV cameras was because of its optical performance being on par with HDV cameras; with the HPX300 you can use awesome glass and supposedly exceed the HDV cams in just about every way (chips, glass, and recording format) so... I wouldn't be surprised if they rated it Silver, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they stuck with the same position that 1/3" = bronze.
 
David S. said:
1. Can you compare this to the 170 re noise?
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Prototype. Remember the key word, prototype. All is subject to change, and at one point they told me the DNR function wasn't finished yet, so... no, I can't give you a definitive. However, based on what I used, it's definitely noticeably cleaner than the 170 in most circumstances. Its noise texture is different, it's a lot finer. When we saw noise, it was in the lower IRE range (as is to be expected); sunrise shots could present some noise.

But none of that really means anything until the unit is finished. The engineers could change all sorts of things between now and then. I think, if I'm not mistaken, that our usage was really the first trial run outside of the headquarters.

2. Same thing re low light?
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Same caveats apply, but in general it seemed very comparable to the 170.
 
Plane trip from Hades. They actually taxi'd away from the gate, towards the runway, then decided they were "over weight" and pulled back to the gate and made eight passengers get off! Then some woman wigged out, said "I've never ever seen this happen and I've been flying forever and I fly so much, we're going to end up in the Hudson, aren't we? What's going on, tell us the truth, we're gonna end up in the Hudson!" (of course, this was a US Airways flight, going to New Jersey.) So then, other passengers started yelling for her to get off the plane so we could take off, and ...

... anyway, I think I got here almost four hours late. I have a couple of short video clips ready on MotionBox and will try to get the article posted here shortly.
 
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