How to avoid a bad situation (fraud)

[MDKfilms]

This may be annoying to some but why not take this forum into the "real names" realm? I use my real name in my signature with a picture. If you go to my site my phone number is there. Is it such a big deal to use your real name? I know anonymity is great for scammers. All the sites now require real names. All the sites I am a member of require real names. It will not eliminate the problem but it helps. Just my two.

 

[bill totolo]

this may be annoying to some but why not take this forum into the "real names" realm? I use my real name in my signature with a picture. If you go to my site my phone number is there. Is it such a big deal to use your real name? I know anonymity is great for scammers. All the sites now require real names. All the sites i am a member of require real names. It will not eliminate the problem but it helps. Just my two.

+1

 

[Matt Ely]

+1 as well, Matt.

 

[Jim Brennan]

I agree. However, my guess is that there are a number of high/medium-profile pros on the board. Their ability to select who knows their real identity allows them to be frank about their experiences in the industry without fear of repercussion.

But, other than that, I am a fan of the real name idea.

 

[ggrantly]

I think names are a good thing also and would be happy to "upgrade". However, personal security is an issue, and it may not be for everyone. Whenever I do a deal, I get enough info to nominally identify the seller; phone number and a call, verified paypal address, etc.

When I purchase from a DVXuser, I do a search of all their posts and read a selection of them. You can get a pretty good idea where they are coming from by what they are interested in, how they interact and how engaged in the topics they are. A big red flag is all they ever do here is sell gear. I usually don't discriminate against folks with a somewhat limited posting history, but if they have infantile or flaming comments, I run the other way.

Recently, I queried someone regarding a gear trade and decided their gear was not what I wanted. The guy proceeded to call me twice on the phone trying to convince me to do the deal. He had a thick Brooklyn accent, talked over me in conversation, couldn't complete a sentence, and didn't think my concerns mattered. I hung up on him on the second call. Not my idea of good business.

Regards,
Grant

 

[Al MacLeod]

I agree. However, my guess is that there are a number of high/medium-profile pros on the board. Their ability to select who knows their real identity allows them to be frank about their experiences in the industry without fear of repercussion.

But, other than that, I am a fan of the real name idea.

And I am darn tired of Spielberg, Tarantino, Cameron and all the rest stealing my ideas...names up front I say!

 

[daplight]

Any thoughts or problems on dealing internationally? Sorry that I'm naive, but where do you find reputable escrow companies to deal with?

 

[Gweilo66]

Yes, international issues would be good to cover. I currently would like to know the best/least expensive method (including or avoiding customs) for selling to someone in Canada.

 

[dregenthal]

I guess I could change mine from "dregenthal" to "david_regenthal" . . . that's what I've used on eBay forever.

 

[BrianMurphy]

Yes, international issues would be good to cover. I currently would like to know the best/least expensive method (including or avoiding customs) for selling to someone in Canada.

Selling to Canadians is easy. It is the buyers responsibility to pay the duty and they taxes on the purchase. I buy internationally often and since I live in a city that is considered a port of entry to Canada I am able to clear the items through customs myself rather that using a broker. If you sell to someone in Canada, do the right thing, Include an invoice with the paper work, a description of the goods, and origin (where they were made) and give this to UPS or USPS or whoever you agree to use as a shipper. If someone wants you to lie or BS paperwork to avoid paying what is in most cases, Federal GST Tax of 5% I suggest you say no, lets just call it bad karma. In all of the things I have bought over the years from America and elsewhere, I have never been asked to pay "duty" but have ALWAYS paid the taxes due and never had any hassle. The only point I make to my fellow Canadians is if you can possibly act as your own customs broker do it. It is very simple, you get the documentation from your shipper, you go to customs and pay the taxes and return the paperwork the customs stamp to your shipper. They release the shipment.I believe this can usually be done if you live in a major city but is more difficult if not. It saves you considerable expense since a UPS broker fee for a $60.00 purchase could be half or more of the cost.

 

[justin lovell]

Seller/user "tampawolf" scammed me - never sent the lens, has not refunded. ignoring my emails.

Sorry for the bad copy and paste, working off my mobile phone.. I'm at a loss and don't know what to do. Anyone help me get a lawyer or someone who can get my money back?

06-16-2015, 01:02 PM justin lovell
Full thread of email conversation below.
Never resolved. Seller is ignoring my emails and will not refund my money.

Paid in full, asked for a tracking number, never provided. He claimed to have shipped it, with rush shipping after not shipping it on the day he was supposed to. It has been over 2 months and nothing has arrived. And he seldom responds to my emails.

See below for full correspondence. User should be flagged and blacklisted unless this is resolved to avoid any other people getting ripped off.

What is happening?

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What is happening Michael?

Please send my money back.

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On Jun 15, 2015 8:30 PM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
What is happening?

On Jun 7, 2015 11:34 AM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe in Karma. And do unto other as you would have them do unto you.

I don't think you feel the same way.

When things get bad for you, know this is why.

Please refund my money now.

Info@framediscreet.com

On Jun 3, 2015 6:31 AM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Still nothing. Please refund to info@framediscreet.com.

Justin Lovell
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On May 28, 2015 9:04 AM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
When you take 4 or 5 days to respond to an email and accuse me of being ridiculous and to blame, that is sketchy.

I put faith in you by paying upfront without having the item, and even covered all the costs around fees. I went put of my way to make sure you were taken care of and happy.

All I asked for was a lens and a tracking number.

I cannot say that I appreciate your efforts because this had gone on for well over a month. If you really cared to settle this you would have done so already rather then responding to my emails when you felt it was convenient for you and only after I was forced to send multiple emails hoping and praying for a response to know that I have not been ripped off.

Shooting overseas and locally to get my hands on a similar lens of this speed is not easy. I have to cover the money I lost to you and the money that I have had to pay for the rental.

When financing my own project right now that has multiple shoot dates, renting out of pocket adds up.

Anyways like I said, I don't want to keep your lens, even if it does magically show up. Which I find highly unlikely as you stated that you paid for rush shipping because you didn't ship it on time.

Show some respect back to me and please refund my money with the same faith and trust that I put in you.

Info@framediscreet.com


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On May 28, 2015 12:13 PM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Justin,
It's obviously not that simple as I sent the lens. I'm currently trying to track it down as to make sure I'm also not being ripped off. For all I know you could have it, and want your money too? I'm not assuming that at all for what it's worth, it's a s*%tty situation obviously but I'm working on it, if I wasn't i would just ignore your emails and move on. As it stands I care about the community, and this type of thing is never good for anyone involved. Ive been in the industry for a long time, if you have spent more on rentals than the lens is worth, you would be fine financially with the gigs you filmed using the rentals, makes me feel a little sketchy. Again though, I'm working on tracking it down.

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:53 AM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Michael,

I have been more then reasonable with you.

This is ridiculous. You have poo pooed me and now I have spent more in rentals then that lens was worth.

If you have any decency left in you, you will refund me my money today.

Info@framediscreet.com

Justin Lovell
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On May 22, 2015 10:34 PM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Please refund the money to info@framediscreet.com as you said you would.

Justin Lovell
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On May 22, 2015 11:38 AM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Michael, no.

Justin Lovell
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On May 22, 2015 11:36 AM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Justin, did you receive the lens?

On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:14 AM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
I need that money today.
I have to rent a new lens for the week for a shoot. I'm screwed right now for cash and need that money for production.

Please refund today.
Info@framediscreet.com

I'll ship yours back to you when it arrives. I don't need it.

Respectfully,

Justin Lovell
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On May 15, 2015 2:33 AM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
What is the delay?

Respectfully, please send.

Info@framediscreet.com

Justin Lovell
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On May 13, 2015 8:42 AM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
You can send to info@framediscreet.com or Just.love.film@gmail.com.

They are both linked.

Thank you.

Justin Lovell
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On May 13, 2015 3:21 AM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Justin is the paypal address you sent me the same as the one you paid from? I can only refund to the one you originally sent from. I'm tracking down the tracking number to insure that it wasn't lost or stolen, plus I have insurance on it which covers me on my end. I'll get back to you when I hear something.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:07 PM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
LENS has still not arrived.

I am not spamming your email. What is going on?
Requesting full refund until this is resolved.

What is your phone number.

paypal back to info@framediscreet.com



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On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 8:57 AM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Lens did not arrive yesterday (friday).

You told me to let you know if it didn't arrive. What do you plan to do to resolve this?

Justin Lovell
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On May 6, 2015 11:45 AM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Thursday April 23:
$15 once converted will be fine. Let me know, might be too late to get out today as it's storming here, but I can get it out tomorrow
Sunday April 26:
Hey nope didn't send it yet, out of town till at least Monday, I will choose a faster shipping method so you don't pay for the delay.
Friday April 29:
I sent it out on Monday as I told you I would. I will find the tracking number and update it to you today (I did not receive), If you don't get the lens by Friday ,(It did not arrive). please let me know, as I'm almost tempted to refund you the money and call the post office and cancel the shipment.
Friday April 29: I waited 7 days with no response or email from you. AS FAR AS I KNOW with your lack of communication - you had taken my money and not shipped anything. No clarification on shipment tracking number as requested. Your lack of communication is and lack of care to proof to reassure me has lead me to the responses I have given you.

A faster shipping method (that you claimed you used) if shipped on Monday should have arrived by last Friday as you stated.

Now you are claiming it will be here this friday? Thats nearly 2 weeks from when you shipped - hardly a faster shipping method that you claimed.


I hope you never encounter a seller like yourself and have to feel the same lack of respect I have felt.



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METRIC - Synthetica (Music Video)
Titanfall: Free The Frontier


On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 5:16 AM, Michael Riley <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Justin, It's finals week and on top of that I've been busy with other stuff. I've already sent you the lens. I couldn't find where I placed the tracking number but you should receive this Friday as I already stated. Please stop spamming my email. If you are unhappy with the lens I can issue a full refund when you send it back. I'll try to locate that tracking info for you anyway. Again stop spamming my email as I already said it should be there by Friday.

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:51 PM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Please refund payments and keep the lens.

This is ridiculous.



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WWW.FRAMEDISCREET.COM | WE LOVE FILM
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Recent Projects:
4 Days in April - Mike Weir Story
METRIC - Synthetica (Music Video)
Titanfall: Free The Frontier


On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:26 PM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Please respond. Or will initiate action.

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On May 4, 2015 4:49 PM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Michael.

What is going on. Please refund fully if you do not plan to ship. I will be contacting PayPal and dvxuser.com today if you cannot resolve this or follow up.

I have been more than willing to give you the opportunity to resolve this, yet you have not taken any care to fix this properly.

Justin Lovell
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On May 2, 2015 11:13 PM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Following up...

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On May 1, 2015 8:25 PM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Michael,

Never got the tracking number you said you would find for me and the lens did not arrive today.

Justin Lovell
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WWW.JUSTINLOVELL.COM

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Thanks michael.

Just going off what you said you were going to do. Surely you can understand. I did not know you have other things going on in life making things difficult. I'm sorry to hear that.

If I had known, I would not have sent that message.

Look forward to getting the tracking number.

Hope things are looking better for you,

Justin Lovell
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WWW.JUSTINLOVELL.COM

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On Apr 29, 2015 3:32 PM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Justin,
I sent it out on Monday as I told you I would. I will find the tracking number and update it to you today, however, please remember that there are other important things going on in others life and that perhaps I had many things going on in my life this week that were outside my control and emailing you wasn't a first priority that I had to handle. If you don't get the lens by Friday, please let me know, as I'm almost tempted to refund you the money and call the post office and cancel the shipment. Remember I didn't even want to ship outside US in the first place. Too much hassle as this has proven. I have both a 100% feedback score on DVXuser and ebay and have never had an issue, but this is ridiculous.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:26 AM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Michael,

What is the tracking number?
Will be contacting PayPal today if not received.

I like to trust people but it's Wednesday now and you haven't followed through or sent any updates.

Justin Lovell
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Demo reel:
WWW.JUSTINLOVELL.COM

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On Apr 26, 2015 3:51 PM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, thanks for rushing the shipping to make up. I appreciate that.

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Recent Projects:
4 Days in April - Mike Weir Story
METRIC - Synthetica (Music Video)
Titanfall: Free The Frontier


On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Michael Riley <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Hey nope didn't send it yet, out of town till at least Monday, I will choose a faster shipping method so you don't pay for the delay.


On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 8:51 AM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Michael,

Didn't get the tracking number. Did you not ship it like you said?

Justin Lovell
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WWW.JUSTINLOVELL.COM

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On Apr 23, 2015 11:44 AM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
K will send that now.

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On Apr 23, 2015 11:29 AM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
$15 once converted will be fine. Let me know, might be too late to get out today as it's storming here, but I can get it out tomorrow

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:52 AM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Probably happened because of the exchange from cdn to us. I don't normally get a fee also when doing domestic transfers.

It was selected as Send money to friends and family.

How much do you want me to send extra

Justin Lovell
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On Apr 23, 2015 10:41 AM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Hey Justin, I've used Paypal thousands of times, many for DVX user transactions and I've never been hit with a fee when sent as a gift as this does not appear to be. I can refund you the money if you would like.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:36 AM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
It was sent as a gift. Those fees are standard paypal fees that you can't get around. Same as the one that I got hit with.

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Recent Projects:
4 Days in April - Mike Weir Story
METRIC - Synthetica (Music Video)
Titanfall: Free The Frontier


On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Michael Riley <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Because it wasn't sent via gift, it is only giving me 644 after conversion and paypal fee. If you want I can refund that amount and you can try to resend, or if you want to just send the rest via gift that is fine. Either way let me know soon and I can have it out today, if not I can still get it out tomorrow. I'll wait till you respond before accepting

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:17 AM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Sent. There was a 8.10$ service fee, that I paid for you also.

Please ship to:

Frame Discreet
C/o Justin Lovell
136 geary ave suite 218
Toronto Ontario
M6H 4H1

Thanks!

Justin Lovell
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On Apr 23, 2015 3:45 AM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Hey I didn't receive payment after sending the pics, if you are waiting till morning that is fine, I did have someone else that is interested so I'll check in the morning for payment. If not interested not an issue, just let me know.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:39 AM, Michael Riley <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Indeed

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:17 PM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
cool. thank you.

shot on your gh4, 12-35 right?

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Recent Projects:
4 Days in April - Mike Weir Story
METRIC - Synthetica (Music Video)
Titanfall: Free The Frontier


On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 1:12 AM, Michael Riley <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Here are some pics

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Michael Riley <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
I have a few other lenses, but I'm not really looking to move them unless I really have to for cash. I have a gh2 I could sell. Yeah, if you look through my history, I've bought and sold the lens over 10 times. Everytime I need money I have to get rid of it, and every time I get a student loan I buy it again lol.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:14 PM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Cool. Anything else you're selling?

Was looking through the old dvx posts, you got a pretty good deal on it when you bought it..?

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On Apr 22, 2015 10:11 PM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Ok no problem, just try to do it as early in the morning as you can. only selling because I need the money and I don't want to wait over the weekend for the money to clear lol.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:01 PM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks. I'll be asleep by then but will review in the morning.

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On Apr 22, 2015 10:00 PM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Ok no problem. I won't be home for about 3-4 hours or so. I'll send them as soon as I am home however.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:59 PM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Not a problem.

Standing by for your pictures.

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On Apr 22, 2015 9:48 PM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Paypal address is michaelsriley@hotmail.com. Thanks, after you get lens, please don't forget to leave feedback

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:43 PM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks michael,

Oh, I meant I would pay through PayPal. Just use Xe to figure out the us$ conversion. My PayPal account is linked in cdn funds.

Current conversion from Canadian to USD is attached. So I would be sending $810 cdn. (man the cdn dollar is hurting right now).

PayPal to
msriley@mail.usf.edu?

Looking forward to seeing your pictures.

Thanks,

Justin Lovell
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Hey no issues with lens, I'm out but I will send you all the pictures tonight, and also mine as well upload them to my post. I would rather just do Paypal over xe.com because i'm not familiar with it. (Shipping was included but I also stated US only, so I'm bending that a little as well )

Michael

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:30 PM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Will you accept Canadian funds using Xe.com posted rates.

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On Apr 22, 2015 6:29 PM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Michael,

I thought shipping was included with the purchase?

I'll split with ya. Add $15 to the price.

To seal this, please see me some pictures of the front and rear elements and body/caps of the lens place a pen in the pictures.

Been burned in the past, this is my safety to make sure all is okay.

Do you have any issues or are there any concerns I should be aware of with the lens?

Thanks!

Justin Lovell
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On Apr 22, 2015 6:23 PM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Would you mind pitching in for that, seems a bit high. Maybe we can split it? If so send payment and I can get the lens out to you.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:27 PM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
The last order I put through with B&H was $16, but I think they probably get a bulk shipping discount.

I suspect 20-30$ shipped with a tracking number for safety.

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On Apr 22, 2015 5:18 PM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Hey quick question before you send, how much is it going to cost me to send to Canada? I've never shipped there so that part worries me a bit.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:16 PM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
I can do it as a gift, no problem.
I'm located in Toronto. Wish I had known about this last week, I was just Shooting for a week at the PGA heritage tournament in North Carolina!

No problem about feedback. Love to help support other filmmakers in the community.

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On Apr 22, 2015 5:11 PM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Ok great, where are you located? I'm in Tampa, are you interested in meeting or having me ship? My paypal is michaelsriley@hotmail.com. If you send it via gift, 645 is fine, add the 4% if you don't mind to cover fees otherwise. Let me know of course where I'm sending it, and if you don't mind, leave feedback once you receive the lens. I use dvxuser a lot so feedback is important to me.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:09 PM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Sure 645$ and you got a deal.

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On Apr 22, 2015 5:04 PM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Hey I am. I've had an offer for 640 so you would have to beat that. I bought it from DVX so I'm not actually sure if it's still under warranty but it is flawless so I imagine it would be. Let me know if you can beat 640

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 4:21 PM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey!

Hope you're doing well.

Still selling your voigtlander?

I have the 17.5, Nice lens. Little soft wide open. Any other lenses for sale?

I can offer $600 cash. Still under warranty?

Thanks for posting!

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[ntouched]

NEVER BUY USING PAYPAL GIFT!!!! It's like sending cash. It's worth requiring the sender to use "PAYPAL INVOICE"! That protects you as a Buyer! I don't care who the seller is on the forum and how long they've been on the forum. ALWAYS require PAYPAL INVOICES for buying transactions. Others may disagree............but I tend to lean towards being "SAFE" than "SORRY"............

If you didn't send as PayPal Gift, contact PayPal, they will eventually issue a refund!

 

[jb.]

ACCEPTING PayPal Gift is just as risky as sending it, to be honest.

PayPal now allows you to fund a PayPal Gift transaction with a credit card as long as the sender agrees to the fees, so...

1) Seller offers something pricey for sale, but doesn't want to pay PayPal it's 3%... so he asks for PayPal gift.
2) Fraudulent buyer agrees to buy the item
3) Fraudulent buyer sends seller $X using PayPal gift funded through a stolen credit card. Since he's never going to pay for it anyway, what does he care if PP charges him another 3%?
4) Seller ships
5) Fraudulent buyer gets his item.
6) Actual owner of the credit card sees the charge and disputes it which causes a chargeback to PayPal
7) PayPal pulls the payment back from the seller (and if he's withdrawn it, they'll debit his bank account that he sent it to and/or send him to collections). Since it's against their ToS and technically fraud to accept gift payments for goods or services, he doesn't have a whole lot of leg to stand on in fighting back against this situation.

The seller in this case is out his item and has no money to show for it... and his PayPal account is also probably now frozen or closed.

The truth is that using PayPal gift (or "personal payments" as they now call it) is against their terms of service and is intentionally defrauding PayPal of the fees they ask for you to use their service. It's shady and you REALLY shouldn't do it because it's dishonest... not to mention the fraud possibilities for everyone involved.

If you really don't want to give PayPal the money they ask for their services, find another solution to move the money around and keep your integrity.

 

[ntouched]

What I said and what jbregar said "Stay away from PayPal Gift either Buying or Selling"!!!!

I'd also like to add, some of you LONG TERM/ RESPECTED users here on DVXUSER should assist in this area. When you offer your ITEMS FOR SALE for PayPal gift, you're promoting cheating PayPal out of 3% for using the service.

Just charge the 3% and use the PayPal Invoice Service (FOR SELLING ITEMS)! Which is what we're all actually doing. The PayPal invoices service protects the buyer and seller!!!! Hope all works out for you Justin.......hang in there!

Always use your best judgment and read the policies and procedures, related to all payment type services.

 

[David Saraceno]

We cannot dictate the terms that private parties determine to use in transactions.

However, I personally never use PayPal Gift. It simply does not provide protection to either party, apart from misrepresenting the true transaction with PayPal.

We also recommend PayPal invoicing. Know your buyer or seller, and be diligent in using the money transfer protocol best designed to protect the parties in the sale.

 

[Greg_E]

How does the invoice protect better than just sending the payment (for purchased items) directly to the seller? The only thing an invoice allows is for payment from someone that doesn't have a paypal account. But there might be something I don't know about too.

The newest feature that is supposed to help protect the buyer is pay after receipt (this is free), this is where Paypal sends the money to the seller, but won't pull it out of your account for 14 days. In a legal sense, this makes Paypal the first buyer which gives them a stronger case if something goes to court for non-fulfillment.

 

[justin lovell]

Still waiting on Michael Riley "tampawolf" to take some responsibility and clear this all up. I will update if he does.

 

[tampawolf]

I've already been in contact with you regarding this issue. I've bought and sold on this forum for far greater transactions than ours, no less than several dozen times, and I'm still trying to resolve ours with the post office. That being said, you yourself have called this forum a joke in your posts, and don't seem to take anything seriously. I'll contact you when I hear back from the USPS, until then please stop cherry picking emails and making these posts; they aren't incentive to want to help out.

 

[JohnnyD]

I'll contact you when I hear back from the USPS, .

You'll never, ever hear from the US Postal Service. I even have some of their private numbers and stiil have had a couple of packages lost. What does the tracking say? It should give you dates of when the package arrived at certain destinations per their scans. If it stops at a holding center and never says "0ut for Delivery", then the package is lost in a great "Big Hole", or it got stolen. If it says " Out for delivery" and never signed for, it got stolen or placed in the wrong mailbox. They won't help anymore than that. Always use insurance and Delivery Conformation. It cost just a little more and is well worth it. In fact, you can send Any package through the Paypal mailing system, using USPS or UPS. And Delivery Confromation is free for USPS packages. You put in the email of the buyer and he will get all the tracking updates.

 

[justin lovell]

Just an update for those who may have interest in my situation..

I am lucky if I get responses from Michael Riley. I send emails once a week with no response. The last email I got was telling me he would setup a visa with his PayPal account and resolve this. I patiently waited over a month. He ignored my last few emails asking for updates. His last response said this:


On Aug 28, 2015 2:24 AM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
I said I was going to apply for a paypal card, not link a credit card, my cards are already maxed. I was selling my stuff to pay debt and move. I still don't have a job. There is literally nothing I can do at this exact second.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 7:08 PM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Another 7 days have passed.

What is the problem? As I suggested, you said you were going to link your credit card to take care of this through PayPal.

Why haven't you been good to your word?

On Aug 20, 2015 2:30 AM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Another 5 days passes.

Seriously Michael please... Why won't you take care of this?

On Aug 15, 2015 8:08 PM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
???

On Aug 8, 2015 3:15 PM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Michael,

Hope your move went well. Hope I'm not being placed on the back burner. Please let me know that you are taking care of this. Would appreciate a timeline and firm date so I can stop pestering you.

I'm sure your sick of hearing from me, as I am tired of pestering you.

Let's wrap this up so we can move on.

On Aug 3, 2015 6:10 AM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Michael,

Thank you for your email.

With PayPal, you just have to link your credit card to it. No approval process, pretty straight forward. Got mine setup in 5 minutes. So unless you take your time with it, you should have it set up same day you do it.

Please post me later to let me know status.

Good luck with the move.

On Aug 3, 2015 7:47 PM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
I haven't forgotten about this, just in the process of moving. I have had a paypal account for a long time so I can probably get approved for a caard for them. I didn't know they had cards until you mentioned it. A loan from the bank probably won't happen though because I don't have collateral and no job.As far as a hard timeline goes, I don't think its unfair for you to ask, but it depends if I get approved for this card or not I suppose.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 3:20 PM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Michael,

My apologies for your loss.
Over the past month I have lost my mother in law and am now with my father in Australia as my aunt is in the hospital. I had to take out a loan from the bank to cover our flights.

I know it can be difficult.

If I were in your shoes I would be doing everything in my power to make good and resolve this and assume responsibility so I don't get a bad name or look bad.

Please give me a hard timeline on when you will pay me back. A believe week is more then reasonable. After waiting over 3 months, I don't think it is unreasonable for you to put this on a credit card with PayPal or to take out a loan from a bank in the worst case. I'm sure you're inventive enough to find way if you're a talented filmmaker.
On Jul 30, 2015 3:49 AM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Well, I've tried to keep the details out of it, because frankly as a stranger, I don't expect you to care, and that isn't mean to be insulting but truthful. But because you keep asking why, I Just lost both my mom and my grandmother, and I'm not working, had to sell camera gear just to survive. Now I understand that isn't your fault or problem, I'm just giving you the why is that I've been having a hard time. The post office informed me that there is no way to track it. There is no way I can get you your money back this week, but I will figure out a way to repay you in full as soon as I can. My guess is that if the lens hasn't come in for months, and hasn't been returned to me, that it is lost and never showing up.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 6:58 AM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Michael,

What is the status?

" I understand your frustration, and if I had the money I would refund currently, but that money was spend before I knew we had this issue."

We have known this is an issue for over 3 months now. You said you paid for express shipping because you sent it later then you planned. Anything taking longer then 5 business days on express is an issue that you as the seller should be expected to resolve.

Why you have left this so long and still haven't closed this, is something I truly do not understand.

I would appreciate my money back if you cannot get me my lens this week. Please let's settle this finally.

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Justin, I called the Post office, and I"m not sure if I got someone very rude, or just having a bad day but they seemed to think it impossible to track at this point, although from what I've read online that isn't the case, I'll try to call again tomorrow, or possibly if I call later today I'll get someone else.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:12 AM, Michael Riley <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
I am making efforts to resolve, despite you saying constantly that I am a scammer and trying to scam you. I will contact you tomorrow to let you know what the USPS office says about inquiring on a lost tracking number. I understand your frustration, and if I had the money I would refund currently, but that money was spend before I knew we had this issue. As far as you posted in the DVXuser forum as seeing me post about buying more stuff, I'm not sure why you feel that way, as I haven't bought or sold anything since knowing for sure the package was lost.

Until then, understand there isn't anything else I can do. It's not as simple as refunding the money because that isn't an option on my end, I simply don't have $600 laying around. Not that it matters but I'm not working right now, its not like I have a stead income coming in. Again I'll let you know tomorrow at the latest what they say about tracking it down.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:20 PM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Michael,

Have you been in touch with the post office. Are you making efforts to resolve this?

Please let me know where you stand on this.

On Jul 15, 2015 12:04 PM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
It is not my responsibility to track the package.

It is up to you to take responsibility as the seller to find out where the shipment is.

I asked for a tracking number and I paid you promptly in full plus additional fees to keep you happy.

Looking forward to finding out where this ended up and resolving this.

On Jul 15, 2015 12:00 PM, "justin lovell" <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes. Read the history of this email.

On Jul 15, 2015 11:58 AM, "Michael Riley" <msriley@mail.usf.edu> wrote:
Did you send the email asking for me to look (again) at the post office before or after you tried to smear names on old threads on DVX forum? I'm confused.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 5:29 PM, justin lovell <just.love.film@gmail.com> wrote:
Michael,

Can you contact the post office you shipped it with and have them backtrack the shipment to the day it was apparently shipped. I would imagine they can look it up as per the senders name and possibly the receiver (yourself). At the very least, try contacting your local office and tell them what happened. Some proof from the post office and tracking numbers to show where this ended up would settle this once and for all.


I would like to resolve this so we can both move on.



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