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sndrk

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Okay let's begin to say that I am really interested and might even sign up. But there are 2 things that keep my mind busy:

First, I can't imagine RED delivering the first cameras beginning 2007, that's like 6 months from now and nobody except Red's team has seen a working camera, let alone a finished camera. I'd say maybe summer of 2007, probably fall. And then shouldn't we expect all kind of software updates to get the thing working as promised? Isn't that what normally happens in this industry? What does everybody think?

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Well they have stated that they expect initial shipments in the first half of 2007, with engineering samples in December, so I'd say a year from now is more realistic.

I definitely expect software updates etc, but I look on that as a plus since it means they are probably responding to places like this forum, filled with the early adopters who know what they want in a camera and won't be shy about asking for it when it comes to their $17,500+ investment. I think the community aspect of this camera is actually one of its strengths in that regard, as it will have a lot of dedicated people trying to make it as good as possible and effectively giving Red a pseudo staff of hundreds, if not thousands, to test and brainstorm for them.

Don't think Panavision are any different btw. Panavision responds to requests for changes from the field all the time, and have been known to have extremely fast turnarounds for changes to software and hardware. The Genesis is a good example of this.

The difference here is that due to the low cost, you will be getting a younger breed of filmmaker who is generally more comfortable with the computer environment these cameras are geared for and will therefore get ideas that the more established players may not think about.

Obviously I believe in the camera though - I'm reservation number 378 :)
 
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Mike Curtis from HD for Indies and Jarred from this site have already seen the images from RED, so there already is a working sensor...

In the past months, RED has never made a promise it didn't deliver, so why would they know?
AND that they would begin shipping in the first half of 2007 wasn't even a promise, but a target they wanted to get.
But looking at how they are doing now, they are doing things very good...
 
The part where I had the most skepticism about the RED project was in its sensor. I knew Jim Jannard would throw an obscene amount of money at the problem, but sometimes revolutionairy breakthroughs can't be bought. With a working sensor, there is nothing left in the project that hasn't been done already by thousands of companies.

If they start to fall behind and they really want to stay on schedule I'm sure they could find a critical quantity of talented engineers to develop the full camera package.
 
"First, I can't imagine RED delivering the first cameras beginning 2007"

IMO think outside the box and open up that imagination !!!
things can change but as of now they are on schedule !!
 
When Jim has been saying by the fall of 2007*, there will be any mount to any lens that makes sense (considering PL, Nikon and Canon manual as the effective first mounts), what is he talking about considering the RED ONE delivery? Summer 2007 or even mid-2007? I don't think so!

* Or then, the wide zoom that will not be announced the price -- yet (but it will be delivered during 2007), it should have already a price. Why not? If RED ONE has. If the 300mm lens has.
 
Even 'cause if I'm not wrong, Jim posted RED schedule would be similar the HVX road map.

And if we know the RED project is more ambitious than any 1/3" CCD camcorder from a major manufacturer, the truth is Jim said 4k footage would be seen next fall, but IBC is late summer (not fall).

The first working HVX footage was seen last September (1080i not 24p), the final production unit was presented during the last days of December. And the bulk delivery (and the HVX is a mass offer indeed!) was beginning in January/February. So, why not RED?
 
If the camera doesn't deliver as planned, either technically or schedule-wise you'll only be out the interest you could have earned on the $1000 deposit, should you choose to sign up.
 
im.thatoneguy said:
With a working sensor, there is nothing left in the project that hasn't been done already by thousands of companies.
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actually i think RED is doing alot of things no other companies have done before, but thats a whole other story.
 
Really? All that's left is the computer hardware to interpret the sensor data into useful data and sensor tweaking. If they were desperate they could use an off the shelf AMD Athlon to do the job of the DSP. Obviously they already have a setup of some variety which can take data off the sensor and make it useful.

Of course the SI guys will point out it's not an easy engineering task, but it's not revolutionairy.

If there is already a way to capture light and interpret it into a digital image, the camera "works". Now it just needs to be smaller lighter, faster and cheaper. :)

I would wager if you took the project from where it is right now and handed it off to Sony, JVC or Panasonic they wouldn't have any trouble creating a commercial product in 12 months if they wanted to. What price bracket they released said product at though... that's up for debate.
 
I'd give Jarred the benefit of the doubt there, Gavin. A camera is more than just a sensor + DSP, and there are things going on inside the camera and electronics that are totally unique, and both hardware and software features that have not been done before.

IMHO, putting a PC chip on a sensor doesn't make a camera, it makes a PC with a image sensor. At that point, the result will not be small, and indeed, I'd think it wouldn't be able to cope with the processing of the over 1GB/s of data coming off that sensor.

Graeme
 
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