GH5 How interested are you in a GH6 anymore?

NorBro said:
https://www.dvxuser.com/forum/market...er#post5673560

I'll ship it to you today...you'll have some extra money you could put into a new L lens while you adapt some EF lenses in the meantime :biggrin:
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I heard the adapters were kind of hit or miss. Especially with Tamron lenses which I have. I get there is no continuous AF but it sounds like sometimes the stills AF is not as accurate and much slower than native lenses. Plus some lenses are known to not communicate well with the body.

Just seems like a lot of potential grief to adapt lenses to the S5. Especially if I don't just happen to have the lenses that actually work with it. My main concern is the Tamron 70-200 f2.8 G2. My only other EF lens right now is the older Tamron 17-50 APS-C which I know will only work in cropped mode on the S5 so I'm not as worried about it. I know I will need a better wide range zoom lens eventually. Thats why I was considering the S5 with the 20-60 bundle which is on sale right now and then adapt the Tamron 70-200. That would have covered me well for stills.

Considering selling the 70-200 and getting the Sigma 100-400 for the S5 if I go that route. Both slow lenses but it would cover the range I want. Sucks to basically trade a f2.8 zoom for a f6.3 zoom but whatever. That would put me at a $3k setup which is much more than I planned but it allows me to sell the M6 and P4k and Tamron 70-200 which can likely get me close to the $3k anyway. Then its a single camera that can do it all.

I feel like its taking three steps backwards to take one step forward...
 
It's a great camera for the price, and hopefully the L lens situation clears up a bit in 2022.

Canon's been discontinuing their EF lineup at a quicker pace than most of us thought, so should see some more nice EF discounts in the next coming months which will affect third-party lenses as well.
 
Tom Roper said:
Yesterday's wedding shoot was for a high end client. Filming without a 2nd shooter...
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I don't film weddings anymore for this reason. I don't like the stress of shooting solo. There are so many unpredictable things that happen with unmanned cameras (kicked, moved or blocked). Reading your description brings back the years of trials and tribulations.
 
NorBro said:
It's a great camera for the price, and hopefully the L lens situation clears up a bit in 2022.

Canon's been discontinuing their EF lineup at a quicker pace than most of us thought, so should see some more nice EF discounts in the next coming months which will affect third-party lenses as well.
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Let me ask you then. What EF lenses did you use with the adapter and why are you selling it now?
 
Peter C. said:
I don't film weddings anymore for this reason. I don't like the stress of shooting solo. There are so many unpredictable things that happen with unmanned cameras (kicked, moved or blocked). Reading your description brings back the years of trials and tribulations.
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I'm in the middle of solo shooting a wedding where I also live-streamed the ceremony and the toasts. Luckily my Hotspot worked because I couldn't access the venue Wi-Fi. Now I'm having a banana and chocolate in the car before cake cutting later. Definitely a stressful line of work
 
Thomas, would you consider going to a different brand if you need to buy a new lens for your full frame camera anyway? Like Canon or Sony, both of which have affordable and high-quality glass available

Also, what about the Panny 24-105? It's great
 
Thomas Smet said:
Let me ask you then. What EF lenses did you use with the adapter and why are you selling it now?
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I used Canon's 40mm with it once (which was used for the clip/joke I shared a few pages back).

I was planning on using it more, but then I purchased Panasonic's 85mm very randomly when I saw it was in stock (it was hard to find for so long).

But then all within like 3 days I returned the 85mm and the S5 because I bought a FX6 at like 4am in the morning when some stores activate their stock (to provide people a fair chance). Then I sold that a few days later.

I wish I could tell you more about the adapter but that's all I know. I didn't take any photos with it but push-AF in video was no different than push-AF with the native L-mount 85mm. Extremely fast and instant.

For the price, the adapter is at least worth a shot (wherever you buy it from).
 
ahalpert said:
Thomas, would you consider going to a different brand if you need to buy a new lens for your full frame camera anyway? Like Canon or Sony, both of which have affordable and high-quality glass available

Also, what about the Panny 24-105? It's great
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Yes. In fact I did buy a Canon M6 II. Love it for stills. 4K is ok but it’s very soft. They 2x pixel bin the sensor down to 3480 wide and upscale that to 3840. The benefit is it doesn’t crop at all. I also liked that it has extra reach as a APSC camera. It’s currently the best APSC camera from Canon.

none of the Canon FF cameras excite me. The R and RP are far from great. The R6 was kind of an option but it overheats easily and the IBIS isn’t as good. The log video has limited DR as well and outside of DPAF is not as good as the S5.

the R5 is super expensive abs has some of its own issues. The body is double the cost of the S5 right now.

im not a fan of Sony and most of their bodies still don’t have 10bit. If I was ok with the stills resolution of the A7S I could just get the GH5S for half the cost and use all my lenses.
 
ahalpert said:
Thomas, would you consider going to a different brand if you need to buy a new lens for your full frame camera anyway? Like Canon or Sony, both of which have affordable and high-quality glass available

Also, what about the Panny 24-105? It's great
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I am actually considering the 24-105 and the Sigma 100-400. A lot more expensive but it is an option. That could end up being my main lens. I love shooting nature stills and DJ need a lot more teach however. That’s why I also need the 100-400 which actually gives me more reach than the 70-200 does on the M6. Just sucks getting slow lenses again after finally getting good f2.8 zooms.
 
ahalpert said:
I'm in the middle of solo shooting a wedding where I also live-streamed the ceremony and the toasts. Luckily my Hotspot worked because I couldn't access the venue Wi-Fi. Now I'm having a banana and chocolate in the car before cake cutting later. Definitely a stressful line of work
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Oh yeah having the chance to eat at wedding.
 
Thomas Smet said:
Yes. In fact I did buy a Canon M6 II. Love it for stills. 4K is ok but it’s very soft. They 2x pixel bin the sensor down to 3480 wide and upscale that to 3840. The benefit is it doesn’t crop at all. I also liked that it has extra reach as a APSC camera. It’s currently the best APSC camera from Canon.

none of the Canon FF cameras excite me. The R and RP are far from great. The R6 was kind of an option but it overheats easily and the IBIS isn’t as good. The log video has limited DR as well and outside of DPAF is not as good as the S5.

the R5 is super expensive abs has some of its own issues. The body is double the cost of the S5 right now.

im not a fan of Sony and most of their bodies still don’t have 10bit. If I was ok with the stills resolution of the A7S I could just get the GH5S for half the cost and use all my lenses.
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The R and the 5D Mark IV have a 1.8x 4K crop which might be useful for you. (Obviously both are superior Canon color stills cameras.)

C-Log comes in the C-Log model for the IV, and the R has 10-bit output. IV has Motion JPEG (very nice).

If you don't need 4K/60p, you're almost getting the reach of a MFT camera with DPAF.
 
NorBro said:
The R and the 5D Mark IV have a 1.8x 4K crop which might be useful for you. (Obviously both are superior Canon color stills cameras.)

C-Log comes in the C-Log model for the IV, and the R has 10-bit output. IV has Motion JPEG (very nice).

If you don't need 4K/60p, you're almost getting the reach of a MFT camera with DPAF.
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I briefly considered the R before I got the M6. I didn't mind the crop but only being able to use FF and APS-C lenses on a 1.8x crop does make shooting wide a bit tougher. Plus on the stills side any crop means lower resolution stills. The M6 provided 32 MP at APS-C and still over 20 MP if I cropped down to m43 FOV. Plus I can add a focal reducer to make it almost a 32 MP FF camera. Its almost the perfect setup if Canon could have managed over sampling vs pixel binning, added IBIS and added log. The thing even has 10bit 4:2:2 out but thats limited to 30p and with no log format not as necessary. I have been adding some 3rd party log picture profiles with some interesting results but its not the same as a Canon implemented log. Canon did eventually add 24p internal to the camera which made it much more useful but its so darn soft. Apparently 25p also work for a clean 10bit HDMI out so thats kind of an option and shift it to 24p with a tiny time change in post.

I bought a clog3 picture profile for the M6 but it suffered from the exact kind of flat white/gray magenta/green color blotches that the GH4 and internal V-log L suffered from. Its the encoder not well optimized for subtle color transitions in areas of flat color. I tired external but it still suffered which means the fake after market clog3 picture profile isn't doing exactly what Canon would normally do with clog3. It was much better but still suffered from magenta green color blotches. At least the GH4 cleaned up a lot externally.
 
NorBro said:
Might as well wait for the GH6 to see what's up.
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Thats the plan. I think the GH6 is going to be a great camera. what that means yet is anybody's guess but the GH5 and GH5S are already great cameras. There is only so much a m43 densely packed sensor can do so it will be interesting what direction it goes.

I think a lot of video only shooters would just prefer a GH5S with DPAF and IBIS and external or internal raw support. That would be a pretty darn solid camera and actually compete with the P4k for the users that are frustrated with stabilizing and manual focusing on the P4k. Not to mention battery life. I think that could really give BMD a run for its money with the run&gun/corporate/wedding/sports shooters.
 
As much as I love MFT and will likely purchase a GH6, most of the world's moved on to full-frame cinema (with new cine cameras, Netflix and YouTube all leading the charge).

MFT lives on in little groups on forums and what not (and I thought a lot of broadcast would have transitioned to MFT a while ago, but they seem to be sticking with a smaller chip).
 
Thomas Smet said:
Thats the plan. I think the GH6 is going to be a great camera. what that means yet is anybody's guess but the GH5 and GH5S are already great cameras. There is only so much a m43 densely packed sensor can do so it will be interesting what direction it goes.

I think a lot of video only shooters would just prefer a GH5S with DPAF and IBIS and external or internal raw support. That would be a pretty darn solid camera and actually compete with the P4k for the users that are frustrated with stabilizing and manual focusing on the P4k. Not to mention battery life. I think that could really give BMD a run for its money with the run&gun/corporate/wedding/sports shooters.
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If the GH5 is a great camera then the improved GH5II probably is as well. It would be a huge upgrade from my current GH3. But I might wait awhile to see if more on the GH6 comes out or maybe a sale on the GH5II.
 
Panasonic will implement a "major organizational restructuring" in October based on the transition to a holding company structure. The points are Panasonic Corporation, which is in charge of home appliances and electrical materials, including "Panasonic Entertainment & Communication", which is in charge of black goods such as TVs and digital cameras,

TV, digital camera, housing. All of them are problematic children who have no prospect of improving profits. This "downgrade" is nothing more than a management message that these businesses are approaching a termination scenario.

　Digital cameras are in a particularly difficult situation. The market environment for digital cameras is extremely cold. You can see it at a glance by looking at the figure below.

... Panasonic's share is currently about 4.4%, and the number of units is about 390,000, which is lacking in presence. Competitors with similar shares to Panasonic, such as Nikon and Olympus (currently OM Digital Solutions), which sold its video business to the fund in 2020, are all in the red, and Panasonic's digital camera business is also suffering from low profits.

Originally, Panasonic's digital camera "LUMIX" series is a prestigious brand with many enthusiasts. There was a time when the domestic market share of digital cameras, which had been lagging behind since it was launched in 2001 in collaboration with the German Leica camera, was in the mid 10% range.

For Panasonic, which is about to undertake structural reforms without sanctuaries, digital cameras can be said to be the right-wing of the "withdrawal business."
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Auto-translated from the Japanese -

https://translate.google.com/transl....jp/camera_news/article/etc/2021/0614_01.html
 
I'm surprised you didn't post Canon's price drop for the 5DS R today, DLD...you're slacking.

50MP for $1500...
 
NorBro said:
I'm surprised you didn't post Canon's price drop for the 5DS R today, DLD...you're slacking.

50MP for $1500...
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B&H dropped it $2400. So it's $1499. I good deal maybe if you want a photo only or only wanted 1080p.
 
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