Barry_Green
Moderator
Well, yeah -- I listed that post had to be done by the same guy. In my case, if I tried it, that pretty much means the soundtrack would be SmartSound, but hey...
House 5D Finale first 2 minutes posted online
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You know what? This is the kind of **** that destroys this forum. Sure it may be a waste of time, but yo know what else is? 90% of what's coming out of Hollywood these days. Movies cost 50 million to make because of this type of mentality. Hire 9,000 people to sit around and do nothing. I've worked on indie films that just pissed away 100 thousand dollars on nothing. Dollies for no reason--25 angles of coverage because the director didn't know what he was doing. Cans and cans of film that will never be printed. This elitist mentality is absurd.
Talent is talent, and hacks are hacks, no matter how much money or connections you have. People piss away hundreds of millions of dollars a year on horrific movies that have some of the best technicians on them in the business, and some damn good actors too. Ever heard the Kevin Smith story about not shooting a day on Die Hard and blowing 200,000 dollars on not shooting a single frame? Not rolling one camera?
Kevin Smith shot Clerks for 26 or whatever thousand dollars on film. You think he wouldn't shoot that now on a GH1 or a DVX if he was doing it again? You think The Following couldn't have been made on a DSLR? You're telling me that if Spielberg/Kubrick/Welles were kids now they wouldn't be shooting 5 man crew movies with DSLRS? Talent is talent. Genius is genius. GOOD film makers will use whatever they can to make a movie, and that's the end of it.
Equipment doesn't make a movie. Talent and people make a movie, and if you can make a film with practical lighting that engages and audience and means you have a crew that's a camera man/1st/sound people, then go do it, the problem is, most people don't write/make engaging films ANYWAY, no matter what the budget, but if you think the DSLR movement hasn't opened up a world that wasn't there before then you're just insane.
Blaine
Mr. Hollywood
Sure, it could. And it would still be a waste of time. Kevin Smith is an interesting guy. He's funny to listen to but he isn't much of a filmmaker (IMO).
Mark Harris
Pain in the ass
My bad, crew of 5. But I remember him talking online about having two people on set at a time. but even with 5 people, yeah, totally invalidates the point.
Are you more successful than he?
Blaine
Mr. Hollywood
Not at all. I just had to look it up, though, since they were shooting on film. It was hard to believe a crew of two to get sound and picture with the director as part of the crew. I mean that would be the director either running camera and another guy doing sound OR the director doing sound with the dp running all the camera functions...on film...:shocked:but even with 5 people, yeah, totally invalidates the point.
(Of course, the director can be discounted from the crew since he's also the lead actor and can be accounted for there...so, yeah in that case I can see how two guys could shoot a feature on film.)
Blaine
Mr. Hollywood
The fact that he's more successful than me doesn't necessarily make him good. Uwe Boll is more successful than me, too.:cheesy:
Rory_B
Well-known member
I agree about collaboration, but doing something outside the box is also good for breathing creative life into people at times.
Stanley Kubrick shot his first film entirely on his own and then did ADR for the lines in post. I am sure he brought a sound guy in for that, but essentially the production phase was all his own.
Either way I think it would be a funfilled excursion for a fest one day.
Rory_B
Well-known member
What about public domain music? Or would that break the spirit of doing everything on your own?
Let's keep the discussion from veering into personal attacks. Thanks.
Mark Harris
Pain in the ass
Did Isaac just delete my post? So not invited to my wedding now.
That is coldblooded.
Blaine
Mr. Hollywood
Oops. Indeed, you did. Maybe I need some reading glasses...:cheesy:
Barry_Green
Moderator
Interesting ... I think if you found a public domain performance, that should be perfectly allowable. I mean, obviously you're going to be relying on existing material (unless you plan on weaving the cotton to make the costumes yourself, and crushing stones and rocks to make paint to paint the walls which you made out of plywood that you manufactured yourself!)
So, yeah, if it's already existing I think that counts. I'm thinking SoloFest would be about you and only you being the only one actually working to create the film. But assembling existing assets (such as wardrobe, props that you found our bought at a store, etc) would be okay.
Barry_Green
Moderator
No it isn't, and we'd thank you to not say things like that.
The forum is vibrant and alive and growing at a faster rate than ever.
And with that growth, we're getting an influx of people who've never done any large-scale work before, and who are postulating and proposing what they think can be done. And that conflicts with the opinions of those who have "been there and done that."
That's a conflict, and we'd like to solve it. But it won't be solved if those who HAVE been there and done that, those who led the original DSLR revolution and were the first to buy the cameras and explore their capabilities, are driven off the forum.
So, Kholi -- yeah, I'm lookin' at you!
Show us your work. Tell us where the pitfalls are. Help folks along the way.And -- new guys -- when Kholi speaks, don't go giving that high and mighty "but we're the new generation! we don't have to listen to you!" speech -- unless you can back it up and show that your work is better than Kholi's.
And here's the bar you'd have to cross, to be better than Kholi:
http://movies.ign.com/articles/863/863492p1.html
Let's have more actual DOING, and less proclaiming and prognosticating.
Ben_B
Veteran
You know what bugged me about the House episode? It wasn't anything with the video...it was just the story...I really don't get why even in an emergency a diagnostic specialist with a physical disability would get sent out into the field to do triage...or the chief of medicine of a hospital for that matter! Just plain unrealistic. On top of that they let the subplot drop...maybe I blinked but if I recall we never got any closure on that?
We talk about how ultimately nobody will care about your image if the content is compelling...but the content wasn't that compelling. It wasn't really much of an episode, and certainly not worthy of a finale. Compare that to something like the Grey's Anatomy (another medical show) season finale, to see what I mean...the last thing on my mind when watching that was filmmaking techniques...I completely lost myself in the episode and had to rewatch just to look at how they made me do that.
We talk about how ultimately nobody will care about your image if the content is compelling...but the content wasn't that compelling. It wasn't really much of an episode, and certainly not worthy of a finale. Compare that to something like the Grey's Anatomy (another medical show) season finale, to see what I mean...the last thing on my mind when watching that was filmmaking techniques...I completely lost myself in the episode and had to rewatch just to look at how they made me do that.
Blaine
Mr. Hollywood
Kholi's lensing the Curugon's WestFest entry, too. The grabs that have been posted so far are excellent.
No it isn't, and we'd thank you to not say things like that.
The forum is vibrant and alive and growing at a faster rate than ever.
And with that growth, we're getting an influx of people who've never done any large-scale work before, and who are postulating and proposing what they think can be done. And that conflicts with the opinions of those who have "been there and done that."
That's a conflict, and we'd like to solve it. But it won't be solved if those who HAVE been there and done that, those who led the original DSLR revolution and were the first to buy the cameras and explore their capabilities, are driven off the forum.
So, Kholi -- yeah, I'm lookin' at you!
And -- new guys -- when Kholi speaks, don't go giving that high and mighty "but we're the new generation! we don't have to listen to you!" speech -- unless you can back it up and show that your work is better than Kholi's.
And here's the bar you'd have to cross, to be better than Kholi:
http://movies.ign.com/articles/863/863492p1.html
Let's have more actual DOING, and less proclaiming and prognosticating.
This is the point we're making. WHO CARES if you have been there and done that and want to tell people nothing but the difficulties they will run into along the way. That's all 'you pros' talk about is the difficulties. Never do I read inspirational speeches to people about go out there and do it. So many people on this board make it their job to tell people off, to discourage and to tell people the horrors of the industry as though it's some sort of horrific glamor. Sure most of these people aren't going to amount to much, but I don't see any huge film makers around here anyway, so the last thing I'd like to hear making my first film is a bunch of discouragement. Some artists are horrifically insecure and don't have the balls to dream, or the balls to face their dreams, and just reading some of the stuff you guys say to people on this boards will be enough to turn some people off, and that's horrible. You're not saving anybody's lives by telling them what CAN'T be done.
Rory_B
Well-known member
The film industry has always been about learning from those before you and mentoring and being able to accept criticism and nay-saying along with the positive. The industry is built around having tough skin.
People on here who warn you of the pitfalls of a DLSR or some other camera or shooting a feature on your own aren't doing it to discourage you, they do it so that you CAN succeed and go in with your eyes wide open prepared for the worst and hoping for the best and learning to MAKE IT WORK.
That's what this industry is. MAKE IT WORK.
I don't think anyone on here is trying to dissuade anyone from doing anything.
When I went to film school if all I had received was praise and well wishing and "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" speeches, I would have been wildly unprepared for what I was getting myself into.
Granted nothing teaches you more than shooting and I shoot all the time. At least when I am not working on the post production of my feature which was basically myself as crew and a couple of guys for post production.
Would I be wrong to warn someone about the pitfalls about trying to do a feature mostly on their own? Or should I just go "Hey it'll be awesome! Goodluck and I'm sure the final product will look amazing" I think that'd be unfair and rather misleading. But if I tell someone my horror stories and how I learned to make it work. They can go into their own production with a better understanding of what needs to be done and they'll still have fun. They're making a movie afterall.
People on here who warn you of the pitfalls of a DLSR or some other camera or shooting a feature on your own aren't doing it to discourage you, they do it so that you CAN succeed and go in with your eyes wide open prepared for the worst and hoping for the best and learning to MAKE IT WORK.
That's what this industry is. MAKE IT WORK.
I don't think anyone on here is trying to dissuade anyone from doing anything.
When I went to film school if all I had received was praise and well wishing and "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" speeches, I would have been wildly unprepared for what I was getting myself into.
Granted nothing teaches you more than shooting and I shoot all the time. At least when I am not working on the post production of my feature which was basically myself as crew and a couple of guys for post production.
Would I be wrong to warn someone about the pitfalls about trying to do a feature mostly on their own? Or should I just go "Hey it'll be awesome! Goodluck and I'm sure the final product will look amazing" I think that'd be unfair and rather misleading. But if I tell someone my horror stories and how I learned to make it work. They can go into their own production with a better understanding of what needs to be done and they'll still have fun. They're making a movie afterall.
