Hollywood Celebrity Canon DSLR Users

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jess3a3 said:
I respect what Barry has done for indie filming by supporting the DVX & HVX. Both the DVX & HVX are trailblazing cameras, and are still powerful tools. I just wish he supported the Canon DSLR's too instead of bashing it just because he has a new agenda other than helping indie filmmakers find the best & cheapest tools for filmmaking.
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Canon is not his field. Period. Not even mine. LOL

There's no new agenda. He has been the same since when I started to read him five years ago. His agenda is his commitment with his posts and articles on... dvxuser.com -- any complaint should be addressed to Canon, not towards him. He is a professional above all. We all know where he's used to write or about what he addresses his analysis. Canon as well.
 
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jess3a3 said:
I respect what Barry has done for indie filming by supporting the DVX & HVX. Both the DVX & HVX are trailblazing cameras, and are still powerful tools. I just wish he supported the Canon DSLR's too instead of bashing it just because he has a new agenda other than helping indie filmmakers find the best & cheapest tools for filmmaking.
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Wow. Just wow. It really boggles the mind. I am astounded that you claim to respect Barry and yet also condemn him for an imaginary agenda. He has not said a single thing in this thread, or anywhere else, that would lead to the reasonable conclusion that he is conspiring with Jannard to sell more RED and Panasonic products.

Do you not realize how much work he's actually done for the burgeoning DSLR filmmaking community, all for free? First of all, he spends many hours of his days here at DVXuser, reading, moderating, and replying posts, and DVXuser is far more than just the DSLR section. I spend all of my time in the DSLR section, and I can't even imagine how I would manage to oversee the entire site. He has done far more sophisticated and time-consuming testing of DSLRs for this community than any other contributor, bar none. He wrote an article on the 7D vs. the GH1 (which, curiously, is a very powerful alternative that you fail to even consider) in which he specifically endorses and encourages the use of the 7D for low-budget digital cinema. His contributions for this community have been far more insightful and constructive than anyone who has only taken the time to post opinions, news articles, and rumors. He doesn't bash DSLRs at all. He's being realistic about them and wants everyone to be realistic as well, which can only be a good thing.

The only one with an agenda in this entire thread is you.
 
ydgmdlu said:
(...) he is conspiring with Jannard to sell more RED and Panasonic products..
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Wait a minute, AFAIK Jannard is not in the market for more purchases, yet. LOL

ydgmdlu said:
Do you not realize how much work he's actually done for the burgeoning DSLR filmmaking community, all for free?
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As posted a couple of posts ago, that's the point which we all should concur -- jess3a3 included.
 
Here's what Barry said in his 7D vs. GH1 article:

For my own uses – I still have both. I intended to figure out which one was better and sell the other one off, but ... I just can't do it. I can't live without the monitoring for digi-cine, and I can't live without the LCD and autofocus and other niceties of the GH1. So ... I still have both, and probably will ... until the next great HDSLR comes along. Or the Scarlet, or until Panasonic or Canon make a proper video camera that has the big sensor and lens capability of the HDSLR and all the features of the video camera too. When that arrives, I can see selling off the 7D and keeping the GH1 as a family cam (which would also make a heck of a b-camera for the cinema camera). But until then, as the budget digi-cine camera, the 7D is the go-to.

Either way you go, you'll find that these are simply groundbreaking products. They're probably as significant as the original DVX100. While I don't find them adequate for use in professional video purposes, the price tag and the quality you can get (under controlled circumstances) are simply irresistible. Get one. Get both, if you can. They're really, really good.
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So where's the bashing? With quotes like that, he could even be a salesman for DSLRs!
 
subtleinspiration said:
I have always had the impression that Philip Bloom is using the HDSLRs as "hobby cams". He's having fun with them, shooting some interesting things, but when it comes down to his bread-and-butter, is he replacing his EX/Letus combination? It doesn't seem like it.
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Well, I asked him about that too -- because the prior quote was that he'd reach for the Letus/EX 90% of the time and forget the DSLR. But his response this time was quite different -- he said:
"Anyone who sticks to an opinion no matter what is foolish... Quite some time ago I said DSLRs were only good for certain work. That is still true but you can use them for way more applications than I originally thought. This is down to my increased experience with them but more down to new firmware, manual controls and proper frame rates.

Things change in this business faster than I change my underwear (which is weekly!) so anything I say one week could be outdated by the next week!"
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jess3a3 said:
I respect what Barry has done for indie filming by supporting the DVX & HVX. Both the DVX & HVX are trailblazing cameras, and are still powerful tools. I just wish he supported the Canon DSLR's too instead of bashing it just because he has a new agenda other than helping indie filmmakers find the best & cheapest tools for filmmaking.
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Okay, reality check time -- you do realize that I have proclaimed the 7D is the best "micro-budget indie digital cinema camera", right? That it is unquestionably the low-cost mini-Red.

The only thing I'm arguing with you about is when you want to take it out of what it does well, and take it into areas where it's just completely unsuitable. Forget news, forget ENG, forget sports and things like that. If you want to use it as a digital Bolex, it's absolutely a game-changing revolutionizing market-shifting tsunami of awesomeness.

Yes, it's very limited -- yes, it has all sorts of issues -- but it's $1699. And that buys you a LOT of goodwill.

But just because it's the best micro-budget digital cinema camera on the market, that does NOT mean that it's the best at any other job! It makes for a lousy personal video camera -- the GH1 mops the floor with it. It makes for a lousy news/ENG camera, and there are other markets it's just not good at.

We should all be okay with that. I love motorcycles, but they're TERRIBLE at hauling a 4x8 sheet of plywood around. Yes, they're cheaper than trucks. Yes, they are faster than trucks. Yes, you can park them in more places than trucks. Yes, they get better gas mileage than trucks. But they can't haul a load of cinder blocks. A truck can. And when it starts to rain, would you rather be on the motorcycle or in the truck cab?

So let the DSLR do what it does well, and be okay with the notion that there are some things it just doesn't do.
 
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To Emanuel, ygdmdlu, shaocaholica, subtleinspiration, and everyone else who "had my back" while I was off shooting the final scenes for a long-overdue project today -- thanks. I appreciate it. Very kind of you.

For clarification as to what my "agenda" is -- my agenda is to be as useful as I can to the USERS of the products. I cling to Zig Ziglar's philosophy, which is that "you can get anything in the world that you want, if you just help enough other people get what they want." I do not care what the prevailing product is, or whether people buy one or the other -- yes I do have some Panasonic-specific products (books and DVDs) but I also have several non-brand-specific and am focusing on even more of them (such as our Sound DVD and our very-shortly-forthcoming Lighting DVD and my delayed-but-coming-someday DSLR DVD). Wherever the users go, I'll try to see if I can help pave the way so they have an easier path.

Have I been hard on the DSLRs? Of course I have, yes -- because they do many things that other cameras don't, and so you have to be aware of this. You have to know what it will and won't do, and what it can handle and what it will choke at. Sometimes folks don't like that. Heck, kids usually want mommy more than they want daddy. But sometimes you need daddy. Could I have sold a thousand DVDs that said "rah, rah, DSLRs are great, get this, it's all you need?" I'm sure I could have. People love to buy something that reassures them a $799 product is as good as a $30,000 Red. But it would be disingenous and dishonest for me to say those things, so I've gone a way that has probably cost me tens of thousands of dollars, but -- it's still right.

The DSLR wars are over, Canon has won, that's obvious. That does not, however, mean that ANY of the issues that these inexpensive cameras have, have gone away! So I will continue to research and educate. Those who don't want to know those things, please feel free to ignore me. Those who do want to know, well, you know where to find me. :D
 
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The GH-2 might be pretty promising if they can get it right or if it ever is released.

Changing the subject do you think Robert Rodriguez might be one of the first big heavy Hollywood directors to even try to shoot a film on a 5D or 7D? I think he might be crazy enough to try. Or maybe at least shoot all his close ups with one? I guess if he can get a studio to back him up and he really likes the DSLR's I don't see why he wouldn't try. Or maybe the next generation of them.
 
Rodriguez is truly a rebel who bought his own F900s so he didn't have to be beholden to anyone else. So ... if someone was going to go for the bigscreen with a DSLR, my money would be on Rodriguez or maybe Mike Figgis (Super16 on Leaving Las Vegas, DVCAM on Time Code... Figgis loves experimenting with new formats).
 
I would be interested to see how the codec holds up on a film transfer, or even a digital projection transfer.

I mean, hell, I just saw 28 Days Later on friggin' BLU-RAY last night. Seriously? I was tempted to purchase it just to see how the picture held up.
 
subtleinspiration said:
I mean, hell, I just saw 28 Days Later on friggin' BLU-RAY last night. Seriously? I was tempted to purchase it just to see how the picture held up.
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It should look much better than that.

There are a few folks that I know of who have already put this on 35mm. Check out the Rodney Cahrters (yeah...I went there...lol) stuff on Vimeo. The guys who posted them has some clips they put on 35mm (if you live in LA I think they would set up a private screening if you ask).
 
Barry_Green said:
We should all be okay with that. I love motorcycles, but they're TERRIBLE at hauling a 4x8 sheet of plywood around. Yes, they're cheaper than trucks. Yes, they are faster than trucks. Yes, you can park them in more places than trucks. Yes, they get better gas mileage than trucks. But they can't haul a load of cinder blocks. A truck can. And when it starts to rain, would you rather be on the motorcycle or in the truck cab?

So let the DSLR do what it does well, and be okay with the notion that there are some things it just doesn't do.
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Love the motor cycle point... you once again nailed it..
 
jess3a3 said:
The ENTIRE SEASON FINALE of the FOX series "House" being shot on 5D. Jim Jannard is rolling in his grave - his next camera will be called the "RED DEAD" ;)

http://www.cinema5d.com/news/?p=2818#comments
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Whatever you feel about Jim Jannard, he is a living person, it is not nice to say things like that about living people.

Also, the very first comment on the page you linked to says that only the beginning of the episode will be shot with the 5D. Do you have more reliable info on this?
 
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