HDV the future?

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.. p2 is obviously cheaper in the long run because you only buy it once. compared to the continual expense of tape. the cost of storing the data is a non issue as far as raid drives and all that razmatazz a goo goo ,because you would need that same equivelent setup to store the video whether you capture from tape or dump it from p2.  although at the moment the P2 storage is rather small for dvcproHD requirements, and the ROI wouldnt bee seen for quite some time after the purchase of the p2 card. .. so it makes it somewhat impractical for HD usage , and  i would certainly  appreciate a tape drive in place still as well. if you  can store and output SD bandwith from the p2 as well.. its killer.  i certainly would love a 4gb or larger p2 card to come with the purchase of a cam though. i dont always need an hour of straight recording time.   all in all id love to have p2 so i can advance with it and take advantage of all the nice things it brings to the table. buit id still like a tape drive to be able to do things the old fashioned way if i cant afford, or arent ready to make a big p2 investment yet.. i certainly will in the future, but 4gb is a little small for HD needs.  like barry said when the price comes down , and i can get an hour per card im surely going to be buying them up. even at 600.00 per card.(i hope its alot less). you only need to use it apx 12-13 times to pay for its cost in tapes.  thats not a big risk for the investment.. im sure we would even shoot alot of things we normally wouldnt and use the equipment more simply because were not wearing the heads down.  ..anyway.. i think we need them both right now.. a little later, and ill be happy to get rid of the old tape drive for a large storage p2 anyday.
 
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[quote author=Neil R. link=board=sony;num=1104107398;start=75#80 date=01/17/05 at 11:27:45]the cost of storing the data is a non issue as far as raid drives and all that razmatazz a goo goo ,because you would need that same equivelent setup to store the video whether you capture from tape or dump it from p2.[/quote]

I disagree. A RAID array isn't necessary in a current DV25 set up because you have video tape back up. I don't have a RAID array; if one of my media drives goes down, I just replace it and recapture the footage from tape. With P2, there is no video tape to go back to, so you absolutely need a RAID setup.

Also, I personally like to archive all of my raw footage when I'm done with a project so I can recut the project at any point. With videotape, this just means that I keep all the camera originals. With P2 I'll have to either archive by removing my RAID platters and storing them or archiving to data tape. For those who don't care about archiving original footage, P2 is fantastic, and one card will repay itself quickly. For those of us who want to keep all of our footage, though, there will be fixed costs for archiving hardware and variable costs for archiving media, whether those be RAID platters or data tape. As I showed above, though, the variable costs will end up being lower with RAID or data tape archiving than with video tape archiving.

even at 600.00 per card.(i hope its alot less). you only need to use it apx 12-13 times to pay for its cost in tapes.
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Except that a 4GB card hold 12 minutes of 24p DVCPROHD, whereas a $45 tape holds 64 minutes. You'd have to use the P2 card about 70 times to record the same amount of footage as $600 worth of tape.
 
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Assuming the drive you loose isn't the one which contains your NLE file. If so no amount of recapturing will bring back the hours spent.
 
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P2 might be great, as it would mean that Panasonic would have to give us something that we really want, in order to sell us the new medium. DVCPRO-HD is a step in the right direction, but what I really want is 1920X1080, 16:9, square pixels, 100Mb/s or 50Mb/s or variable bitrate, one super35mm sized CMOS, interchangeable 35mm photo lenses or four-thirds system lenses (and then ofcourse 4/3" CMOS), or atleast the most important feature of them all: A FULLY MANUAL FOCUS RING WITH END STOPS. Oh, and a CMOS with multiple exposure layers for film like dynamic range.

Oh, now I got too excited. My point was only that if Panasonic is going to get this new medium through, they will have to make a better camera, with better qualities than the other manufacturers. And I hope they understand that.
 
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my friend told me if I shoot my short films on minidv pretty soon no one will accept it ,they will all want hd . How much more life do you see minidv having for the prosumer?
 
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Man, I still see wedding videographers advertising that they are shooting on VHS-C. :( Why would you advertise that?
 
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[quote author=tony404 link=board=sony;num=1104107398;start=75#84 date=01/26/05 at 20:37:46]my friend told me if I shoot my short films on minidv pretty soon no one will accept it ,they will all want hd . How much more life do you see minidv having for the prosumer?[/quote]

Who's the "no one" who will "accept" it? I'm not sure what that means.
 
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xander76,

you bring up a good point about archival. thats somthing i had overlooked because for my purposes its not a real issue for the work or play i do at this time, but I can certainly see where it could become an issue given certain types of projects. either way, i would really enjoy the cam having P2 for when its applicable, and tape still available to use until mass long term storage is cheap enough to toss the tape.
 
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