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Brook Willard
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Unless you're shooting uncompressed RAW, much of the information on current 4K filmmaking will be somewhat irrelevant. I am assuming, of course, that you're looking for information about workflow and asset management. REDCODE RAW is changing everything - at least for RED users. If you're looking for literature on the hands-on details of working with high-end cinema cameras, that's a different story.
Jaime Valles
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I don't think it gets more current and cutting edge than websites such as DVXuser. Once Barry Green makes the rumored "RED Book", then we'll have a book worth looking into. But right now, the most up-to-date info you'll find on 4K filmmaking is online, not in print.
Graeme_Nattress
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RAW is new for motion pictures. I don't think there are any existing books that will help. Learning how RAW works in digital stills photography can help though.
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Brook Willard
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One other little blip... am I the only one who's growing a pet peeve about hearing the RED [or other 4K cameras] called "HD" cameras? It's like hearing them called "video" cameras, it just rubs me the wrong way. Yes, the RED can output to HD... other 4K cameras probably can as well.
It's like saying that Miami Vice was shot in HD. Wrong - it was shot in 4K.
Video. SD. HD. 2K. 4K. Digital Cinema.
Uncompressed RAW. REDCODE RAW.
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It's like saying that Miami Vice was shot in HD. Wrong - it was shot in 4K.
Video. SD. HD. 2K. 4K. Digital Cinema.
Uncompressed RAW. REDCODE RAW.
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Graeme_Nattress
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Yes, we prefer "Digital Cinema" as a camera descriptor.
Graeme
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Graeme_Nattress said:
TMCA28, you should check out http://www.luminous-landscape.com/ which is a site with great tutorials on working with digital still photography, including RAW stills.
Brook Willard
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I was nervous about posting that claim, I've read it was 1080 4:4:4 and I've read it was 4K 4:4:4. My point remains even if my example was incorrect._MR_ said:
Brook Willard said:
Hey thanks for the replies I will check out the link.
Yes you're correct it is Digital cinema not HD! HD sort of diminishes what can/will be accomplished with this camera.
I know most of the info on 4K digital cinema is basically on this site and a few others but I'd also like to have a definitive text on it (I'll definitely get Barry Green's book if and when it comes out) as I find with such a new area of cutting edge technology there can be conflicting opinions on technical aspects (not necessarily this site but the net in general - Brook, an example is how you read in 2 places that Miami Vice was 1080 4:4:4 and then 4K 4:4:4) which is what I want to know inside out before I invest in a RED.
I read Chuck Gloman's HDV book out in November to give me a run through of HDV before I research digital cinema in depth. I'm also reading Blain Brown's book on cinematography which has a shortish chapter on digital cinema.
As for Miami Vice - I was reading about the 1080P 4:4:4 workflow yesterday - pretty amazing to think that this was only able to be accomplished by large scale productions using ThomsonVipers and similar standard 2K cameras before RED came along...
Again thanks,
tmca28 said:
The problem with a lot of this stuff is that by the time a book comes out on 2K/4K, it is already partially obsolete! The best sources for information are print and online forums and periodicals.
Some of my favorite books, just for pure reference:
File Interchange Handbook for Images, Audio, and Metadata
Brad Gilmer
A Technical Introduction to Digital Video
Charles Poynton
This book is a bit outdated in some areas, but is still a great introduction to very fundamental concepts in color space, signal format, etc.
Digital Intermediates for Film and Video
Jack James
The Quantel Digital Fact Book and Digital Film Supplement
Various
Parts of these documents have (obviously) a very Quantel-centric slant, but are still overall extremely good texts on many basic concepts in digital imagery. There are available for free on the Quantel website.
Lucas
Homersapien
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Jarred ought to make a blog that users could publish articles such as how to's etc in, maybe we could get an almanac published each year with the best bits in. Royalties paid to each user who has an article published in it perhaps? - Would inspire more people to write something decent.
As a designer I'd be more than happy to put together a publication, can do the website to if people feel there is a need for something like this.
Admittedly it's pretty much the same as a forum, but I meant something a little more definitive, that people can publish an article and gather others comments and then edit accordingly at the end of the year before publication.
As a designer I'd be more than happy to put together a publication, can do the website to if people feel there is a need for something like this.
Admittedly it's pretty much the same as a forum, but I meant something a little more definitive, that people can publish an article and gather others comments and then edit accordingly at the end of the year before publication.
Jaime Valles
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Good idea... Maybe instead of a forum it should be more of a Wikipedia type of setup, where the articles can be updated frequently by anyone (subject to verification) and can have multiple subdivisions (REDCODE setup, RAW workflow, Aspect Ratios, etc.) that get more full as users post their expertise.Homersapien said:
david farland
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Homer et al,
I reckon you have a huge idea here.
Guess the biggie here is 'table of contents' and approach to how you'll present this information. Maybe it could also be RED centric.
Dave Farland
I reckon you have a huge idea here.
Guess the biggie here is 'table of contents' and approach to how you'll present this information. Maybe it could also be RED centric.
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