C100: Had an C100 delivered yesterday. First paid gig was today. Couple of questions...

analog_addict

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After shooting on Blackmagics and DSLR, I made the plunge and got a C100. I used it today on a paid job (clinic promo video) after only getting it yesterday.

From what I quickly learned the night before I shot using the WDR profile. Set my frame rate to 25PsF. Kept my ISO at 850 or above. My thoughts after using it were that is was hard to white balance consistently and hard to expose on the rear screen.

1) My first question, is the white balance a bit finicky with this camera? I did a black balance before shooting. Daylight stuff looked good but occasionally would have an orange cast, despite the lighting not changing from a previous shot. The clinic had some old strip lights and these things made the entire image very green and nasty. Out of curiosity I pulled out my 60D and could white balance for these lights much better, still not amazing due to the lights but nowhere near as bad as the C100. I tried auto white balance which gave me different values despite not moving the camera or changing the lighting, this was a well lit scene. Also tried manually setting the Kelvin and using a grey card.

It kind of reminds me of how my old AF100 used to handle badly under certain lighting.

2) I actually didn't realise until I got back that the C100 does not shoot actual 25p. I've dropped the footage on a 25p timeline and told Premiere to ignore the different footage spec. When played back it looks like 25p to me. Is this conforming it to progressive scan or do I need to do that by using 'interpret footage' in Premiere? What is the general consensus on 25PsF, does it really matter or once conformed is it no different to 25P?

3) I'm very used to using false colour on a DP4 (now sold to fund the C100) to expose. Get skin tones to come up as orange and I'm good to go. I have used zebras in the past so perhaps I just need to practice a bit more with those. I find the highlight roll-off to be very nice. Some shots which looked great on the rear LCD ended up being slightly over exposed when viewed back.

4) Is WDR the way to go for corporate work? I'm going to practice with C-Log for more creative projects. I loved BMDFilm from the Blackmagic cameras.


These are my main questions. I found the camera really ergonomic and the image is really nice considering it's only 8bit 4:2:0 24mbit. I plan on picking up a second hand Ninja soon. Obviously a first shoot with a camera will never be your best and I have a lot to re-learn after shooting so much on the BMCC and BMPCC.

A few quick tests have proved that FilmConvert using the C100 WDR does a really nice job on the footage. I'll post some screengrabs.
 
White balance is funky on the C300 too. I just dialed it in based on the lighting.

The C100 MKI LCD and EVF aren't so good. Really cant trust them for accurate color especially the EVF. Better to go with the LCD or even better a external monitor.

WideDR is great if you dont want to do heavy grading. Really easy.

The SmallHD 502 or other 5" monitors will help a lot. Ninja Blade is an excellent monitor and reorder in one.
 
White balance is funky on the C300 too. I just dialed it in based on the lighting.

The C100 MKI LCD and EVF aren't so good. Really cant trust them for accurate color especially the EVF. Better to go with the LCD or even better a external monitor.

WideDR is great if you dont want to do heavy grading. Really easy.

The SmallHD 502 or other 5" monitors will help a lot. Ninja Blade is an excellent monitor and reorder in one.

Good to know about the white balance. So far it seems really easy to colour correct out little errors. Surprising given the compression. Is it best to WB off a grey card or dial it in manually based on the lighting.

Unfortunately a Ninja Blade is out of my price range. Any idea how the monitor is on the Ninja 2? Is the Ninja 1 worth avoiding?
 
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Ninja II isn't very good.

I like using grey cards too when in mixed lighting conditions. It's truly neutral, but for the basic stuff I dial in daylight and tungsten and then if I want it a little warm or cool I can bump it up or down from 3200 to 5600K. Works for me and it helps train your eyes to color balance.

Maybe it's log gamma that white balances strange. I can figure it out. I've issues with other cameras too when shooting log.
 
Same, with tough light conditions, don't think too much about it, as a little green tint can be color corrected in a few seconds. I always dial Kelvin and it goes fine.

About the LCD, don't forget to put the backlight in High Mode, as maybe in low mode you could think the exposure was right but thats why maybe your footage ended up overexposed.
 
Another strange thing I found last night. 3200K and the Tungsten setting are quite different. 3200K dialled is much more orange than the tungsten present which leans more towards purple.

I would have thought the tungsten preset was just a quick way of setting 3200K?
 
I believe the tungsten and daylight presets compensate for tint as well as temperature, whereas the kelvin setting only adjust the temperature. Can someone else confirm?

As for the 25PsF, it is probably the same as 30p in NTSC land. It's a progressive recording embedded in an interlaced file. In Premiere, you just have to right click on the files in the project bin, click modify, interpret, and change it from interlaced to "no fields progressive." Make sure you do that before using one of those files to make a new timeline/sequence, or you might accidentally make a timeline based on an interlaced file.
 
In the custum WB modes A&B and the Kelvin mode the camera only adjusts the blue and red channel and not(or not as much) the green channel so hence the green tint.... simple to correct in post.
the automode does adjust the green channel aswel as the preset modes thungsten and daylight.

You can also adjust your profile and under the "fine"settings go to "white balance" and dail in Rgain +4 & Bgain -1
this wil compensate the green tint pre post.
 
I use C-Log 99% of the time. If it's a quick turn then WideDR.

Hey Erik,
Thanks for sharing your knowledge, I've been following you for a while. Quick question, with using C-Log and the Blade, do you find yourself using the C-Log display setting or using the Blades WFM to gauge your shots? And do custom profiles still play a part in your workflow?
 
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