Graeme: FPS... Wow...

If 160GB is 90 minutes, then each minute would take 1.7GB. At that rate, you could fit 36 minutes onto a 64GB internal flash, not 20. But I have no idea if your numbers are accurate according to their system.
 
No dude I am SURE you are righter than me. I suck major at math. I can't believe I never saw anything about an internal flash memory.. Is it on the website?

Jay
 
We've mentioned it at trade shows and the such. Remember, REDCODE is not a fixed bit rate, so you could record longer if you want.

Graeme
 
I'm not sure. They have mentioned a billion times that onboard recording will be an integrated part of the camera, and as far as I know, it will be through means of flash memory. I can't imagine there's going to be an internal hard drive inside the chassis. What I was trying to determine is how the onboard memory differs from the external "RED-FLASH," and if they can be used in tandem to acheive higher fps recording as Graeme has stated that 120fps won't be possible with just the internal memory alone. I have no idea what the actual internal recording times are (they may not even know yet) - my math was just an extrapolation of the figures that you had listed. To be honest, right now REDCODE is confusing the hell out of me. :-P
 
I hear ya.. I THOUGHT I had a handle on it until Graeme threw out his little
"Remember, REDCODE is not a fixed bit rate, so you could record longer if you want."

According the site REDCode does 27 MBs.. I saw nothing about variable bit rate.

Jesus.. Haakon, you ever get the feeling that really don't have any frakkin idea what they are really building over there?

I am getting the feeling that we're only aware of 75% of this camera's abilities. Kind of drives me crazy sometimes, but it's preferable to the alternative.

Hey Alan, does the Dalsa have variable frame rates? If so how to they work in terms of can you select any frame rate from 1 fps up to 36fps?

Jay
 
Hey Graeme I was a little confused on the Red.com page. It sounded like in the Red workflow section that we could see 27MB/s at 4k compressed RAW @ 24fps with a variable wavelett compression. But on the Format Options page it says that there will be no internal option for 4k even though there is for 60fps 2k. From my personal tinkering with wavelett, I've only been seeing a 30% decrease in size when compressing to 2k. It would seem like a a decent 7200rpm modern laptop hd could reliably deliver at least 30 MB/s which could possibly be within spec of 24 fps compressed 4k.

Along the same lines... why is there a 2k 4:4:4 hard drive option but no 1080p RAW option? Also... on the Formats page... why is 2k Windows listed as an option for the S35 and 35mm sized sensor? Should I just completely disregard the formats page as a source of information, it's very confusing.
 
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1080p in would not make a whole lot of sense since you wan't it scaled (I assume), which is not possible with RAW data (from 2K). So you either crop it (you loose pixels) or store 2K RAW and extract 1080 RGB from that through REDCINE.

4K 30 fps RECODE onboard has been confirmed.
 
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Also... on the Formats page... why is 2k Windows listed as an option for the S35 and 35mm sized sensor? Should I just completely disregard the formats page as a source of information, it's very confusing.
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I know its confusing but its also cause your reading it wrong heh heh heh :)

Its not S35 and 35mm sensor.. its S35mm and 35mm Lens, which just means you can shoot windowed when you use a s35mm or 35mm lens.
 
Hey Graeme,
Is there any way at any resolution to get the 120 fps in? I was sure looking forwad to down tha super slow-mo like with film cameras.

Thanks,
Gopher
 
Theorectically, the less lines on the sensor that get read, the more the fps. However, practically speaking, there will be limits elsewhere in the circuitry, and we don't know the full upper limits of the sensor yet.

Graeme
 
Graeme_Nattress said:
we don't know the full upper limits of the sensor yet.

Graeme
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Ok so this begs the question: Perhaps not 120fps, but what about 80 or 90 fps.. In high speed, every little bit helps

Jay
 
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Hey Alan, does the Dalsa have variable frame rates? If so how to they work in terms of can you select any frame rate from 1 fps up to 36fps?

Jay
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Hello Jay,

Yes on the DALSA Origin you may select any frame rate from 1fps to 36fps. We support 23.976 and 29.97 (in order to be compatible with HD cameras for hybrid shoots) so you could select any 3 decimal point accuracy frame rate like 11.738fps, if you were looney enough to want to do so. =0

Of course SMPTE timecode is only supported at standard SMPTE rates.

We are working on timelapse/animation software for the camera as well. The functionality is there, just not the control code, but it will come.

Alan Lasky
DALSA Digital Cinema
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
Ok so this begs the question: Perhaps not 120fps, but what about 80 or 90 fps.. In high speed, every little bit helps

Jay
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i definitely agree on every bit helping. especially if they'e implemented a mode similar to the HVX "film cam" mode when it just writes the frames to a 24 or 30fps file in camera then you could shoot at whatever fps you wanted and get smooth even motion on playback. so if the limit is 73 fps then ill take 73 fps. im assuming they've already got a system in place for a film cam like mode though.
 
Neil Rowe said:
im assuming they've already got a system in place for a film cam like mode though.
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They do - in fact I'm not sure there's anything but a "film cam" mode on RED. It was one of the first questions I asked Graeme a long time ago when the camera was still in barebones development - it will record single frames at the framerate of your choosing and only that; no pulldowns or "over 60" modes to have to deal with. Just pure, independent frames.

If only every camera were so accomodating...
 
Hey guys, sorry if it's just not clicking in my head (havent had my coffee yet)....as of this point are we saying no 120fps even in 2k windowed mode? Just want to clarify.

Thanks,
Omar
 
The specs indicate max 120 fps in windowed mode. I would not expect it onboard though (like 4K @ 60 fps onboard is probably not gonna happen either, at least not yet :))
 
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