C200: Good short video on Cinema Raw Light with Loren Simons

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aygie

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Some nice info and advice here and good to see Canon making some effort to get some videos out about Cinema Raw Light.


Also good to hear that Jem Schofiled is doing a series on the C200 too;

 
terrible music. I several times felt as if a phone is ringing. I couldn't stand it and swtiched off. Hopefully a more tolerant soul can tell us what was being spoken

aygie said:
Some nice info and advice here and good to see Canon making some effort to get some videos out about Cinema Raw Light.

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Not sure what it's like in India, but here in the US you can click on the CC button and you'll get a computer generated English translation of the audio. Not the best, but it's a start.
 
It's good information in the video.

But for people reading the Cinema EOS forum, it's stuff we already know: import into Resolve and you're golden—with .crm being interpreted into Cinema Gamut and Canon Log 2. From there you can go anywhere you like.

But there is really no need to do anything other than that. And since Resolve is available for MacOS, Linux and Windows for free, or only $299 for the Studio version, I don't think there is much else to say.
 
AndreeOnline said:
It's good information in the video.

But for people reading the Cinema EOS forum, it's stuff we already know: import into Resolve and you're golden—with .crm being interpreted into Cinema Gamut and Canon Log 2. From there you can go anywhere you like.

But there is really no need to do anything other than that. And since Resolve is available for MacOS, Linux and Windows for free, or only $299 for the Studio version, I don't think there is much else to say.
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Isn't that the same as FCP X 10.4 too?
 
puredrifting said:
Isn't that the same as FCP X 10.4 too?
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Yes, and as a Mac-user myself I'd be happy to recommend FCPX to anyone who'd like to go in that direction. But since Resolve is available to anyone, just as cheap and even more powerful when it comes to get the most out of raw footage, I used that as an example.
 
AndreeOnline said:
Yes, and as a Mac-user myself I'd be happy to recommend FCPX to anyone who'd like to go in that direction. But since Resolve is available to anyone, just as cheap and even more powerful when it comes to get the most out of raw footage, I used that as an example.
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I'm with you, I have both anbd like both. Hopefully one or the other or both will implement full control over CRL parameters in upcoming versions but at least for now both are totaly usable with CRL. I don't know Resolve very well at all though and can edit better in FCP X but I am intrigued by Reolve and think it may end up being a better overall editing platform than FCP X but it's a tough call, 10.4 with the new color wheels is pretty cool.
 
When I am in the menu selecting color space to record in for .mp4 I only see clog, clog 3 and bt.709. Same when selecting a lut when doing raw, I want to record my .mp4 in wide dr and then view wide dr(when recording raw) but I can not seem to find Widedr in any of the menus.
 
He makes it hard.

Also no mention of some kind of editor, client workflow.

This??

Throw it in resolve add a 709 lut export proxy edit go back to resolve colour?

What about with canons own software, - it cant pull secondaries and can it read an edl from the editor? If not it has no value at all.

Are you supposed to colour all your clips before you edit them?

Just really poor video making raw sound baffling and driving clients away IMO
 
morgan_moore said:
He makes it hard.
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I'm not quite following your post here Sam.

I just view the video as a clarification on what .crm is and some of the characteristics of the log profiles. And that's good, because it seems that many are confused by this.

Questions:

Why would you expect to pull secondaries or read edls in Canon's software? It's a transcoder, not an editing or colouring software? But you're right that it has very little value. For someone who uses Resolve it's an extra unnecessary step if you just want access to the raw data. Canon's software might be of 'some' value if you, like Geoff Boyle, want to export .exrs or other specialised files and use it for that.

There is no need for proxies I think. An HD timeline is more than enough for editing and should be smooth. I would start with a rough edit and then go into color. If you want to look at something other than the straight up .crms when editing, just work underneath a LUT, which can be set in preferences.

Once in color you can use other LUTs or color transforms, or edit any way you choose. But I'm probably not understanding you correctly, or we went into the video with very different expectations.
 
Yes - different expectations? ! :)

Im assuming the editor is not me, and may not be able to play back crm

Considering the data loads a transcode (while retaining the full DR etc) does not seem intelligent - why would one want a pile of 444 and crms clogging ones data - or does one delete the crm with no ability to enjoy future better debayer?

Surely one wants..

for editor.. proxies with basic 709 LUT

editor delivers colourist EDL

EDL then placed in colour software that can read the EDL, the raw files and has full colouring ability (pulling secondaries)

Colourist then uses raw to grade from.

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I just felt that video would push many away from considering raw.
 
morgan_moore said:
Im assuming the editor is not me, and may not be able to play back crm
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Yes, OK. I'm talking from a perspective of shooting, editing and grading myself.

But in your example of handing files over to an external editor, I don't think the procedure is different with .crm than any other "heavy" files that you don't want to hand over directly?

Generate proxies from .crm --> hand over to editor who edits with them and generates edl --> reconnect to .crm.

morgan_moore said:
I just felt that video would push many away from considering raw.
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Allright. It's an interesting observation to me. Our opinions here are will strongly correlate with how we like to work and where the bottlenecks are.

In my case, I'd just import .crms and I could start working right away. No extra steps needed. The files could just as well have been "chubby ProRes". The amount of data needs to be considered but I wouldn't call that complexity per se.
 
On 2017 maxed out iMac in FCPX, RAW feels like mp4, we just need at least white balance options..
 
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