GH5 GH6 rumors

jdv said:
- The ability to record 1080p at a lower data rate. 100mb is nice, but there are lots of occasions when I simply do not need that kind data rate/file size for what I'm doing, like recording school spelling bees, long form youtube videos, corporate videos, yada. A 720p recording option wouldn't make me cry either.
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If you use MP4 or AVCHD video modes on the GH5, it will record 1080p at lower data rates -- I just did a client video in 1080p and shot it at in MP4 mode (not MP4 LPCM) at 30fps at 20 Mbps. The client was delighted with the result.

A super-quality 720p mode would be interesting, maybe trading resolution for a wider dynamic range? Or perhaps the ability to shoot 300fps at 720p?

Bob
 
BobKo said:
If you use MP4 or AVCHD video modes on the GH5, it will record 1080p at lower data rates -- I just did a client video in 1080p and shot it at in MP4 mode (not MP4 LPCM) at 30fps at 20 Mbps. The client was delighted with the result.
Bob
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Same here for weddings and corporate. They just don't want the file sizes or data rates of 4k, seem very happy with 1080p.
 
BobKo said:
If you use MP4 or AVCHD video modes on the GH5, it will record 1080p at lower data rates -- I just did a client video in 1080p and shot it at in MP4 mode (not MP4 LPCM) at 30fps at 20 Mbps. The client was delighted with the result.

A super-quality 720p mode would be interesting, maybe trading resolution for a wider dynamic range? Or perhaps the ability to shoot 300fps at 720p?

Bob
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Sweet tip - thank ya brother!
 
Some news that came out after this thread was started :
Despite Panasonic's claims two years ago that it was aiming to bring 8K to the masses by 2020, in time for the Summer Olympic Games in Tokyo, the company is now targeting 2022 and the Winter Olympic Games in Beijing.

"Panasonic introduces the 8K digital camera to the 22nd Winter Olympics", reads the headline from Japanese daily Nikkan Kogyo Shimbun. Via machine translation:

"Panasonic is the prospect of the 2022 year, which will be held the Beijing Olympic Winter Games and Paralympic, and ultra-high-definition 8K video, and for the business consumer for a digital camera with a slow-motion playback function of the high-definition 4K (consumer) throw into."

That news should come as little surprise, following last month's reveal of the Panasonic Lumix S1H – the full-frame L-mount camera that features 6K video, which we suspect would have instead boasted 8K if Panasonic's tech was ready.

Indeed, successful deployment of 8K cameras for the consumer and prosumer markets is apparently proving a tricky one. There was anticipation that Sony would unveil its own 8K camera at CES in January, when it rolled out its wider 8K ecosystem, but this didn't materialize.
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https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/...022-no-8k-from-sony-canon-or-nikon-until-2021

It looks like the first MFT 8K camera will be that Sharp 8K.

 
Technically speaking, Panasonic is a global partner of the 2020 Olympics games ... but that excludes video gear.

Canon is a local "gold partner" but that seems to also exclude the video gear (but every photog will be shooting 1DX MKII there ... free of charge, including lenses, but also without any choice of tools).

Still, Canon is a dominating presence there, so others ceded the terrain.

Whether Canon itself will release an 8K camera is an issue that's currently unresolved.
 
Some dude posted on some other site that Sony has an 8K MFT sensor. Listed as surveillance but it's a Starvis.
 
DLD said:
Some dude posted on some other site that Sony has an 8K MFT sensor. Listed as surveillance but it's a Starvis.
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I also want higher resolution stills but shrinking the pixels on a m43 sensor is not the way to do that. I think we have reached a theoretical balance of 4.6k or 5.2k m43 sensor and going beyond that is not going to help at all in the areas people want to see in terms of quality. Dynamic range and sensitivity. 4k may be the limit for m43. Yes 5k and 6k are an option but that also hurts the chances of raw on these cameras someday. GH5s has the largest potential for no hassle external raw recording because the raw sensor puts out a perfect 1:1 DCI 4k or UHD image. Any larger sensor will either have to shoot a crop mode for 4k raw or deal with insanely larger raw files.

Would like 8k from a hey that's cool perspective but I would much rather them figure out how to enhance the s/n ratio, low light gathering and dynamic range of 5k to 6k on a m43 sensor before we chase more pixels that struggle.
 
Let's look at context. Samsung (working with Xiaomi bodies) has announced a 108 MPX sensor for smartphones. The Isocell Bright HMX is ~ 70 mm2, while an MFT is 225. So 41 MPX is nowhere near the pixel density of the smartphone latest.

And if smartphones can have 6K/8K, then it behooves the ILC's to, at least, be in the ballpark.

My take is that upping the pixel count makes MFT a far more capable stills camera than GH-4/5, especially if they can pixel shift into a 100 MPX range without much processing delay. This is where the MFT reach advantage over APS-C and FF will also play an important part. Combine that with 6K/8K video and you got yourself a jack-of-all-trades product that is also a master of those trades. It's a win-win for Panasonic and Olympus.

If/when it appears on store shelves.
 
combatentropy said:
I don't get why you focus on resolution.
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Because resolution has and always will help sell cameras to consumers probably more than any other feature. (Partly because it was pretty much one of the only features for a very long time...it's like the size of a TV as a buying factor.)

There's an entire world out there that Panasonic is trying to move units to besides forum nerds and "filmmakers" who would rather have dynamic range or 10-bit or color science (or something else).

Ideally, we'd have it all - which Panasonic seems to be good at providing.
 
Eventually, if Panasonic keeps doing the resolution game and ignoring dynamic range and color science they will lose the portable videographers market.

As soon as a Blackmagic 4K pocket or something similar from some Chinese company (MFT or Canon mount) with IBIS will come out it is game over for the "photo camera manufacturers who think video is some bad barnacle".
 
A race to the bottom (quality) is not going to help sell cameras to consumers. Those bottom feeder consumers have already moved on to smartphones. Nothing will ever bring them back so camera companies should probably focus on quality (not just resolution) or they will be extinct before we are.
 
Probably should have referred to them as prosumers...pretty much everyone not in the 1%.

Nevertheless times are so confusing that it doesn't matter either way; it's a lose-lose for everyone making a camera, and the decline (numbers) is depressing.

On a side note, it took 48 hours for this one to become a best seller (B&H). Even though the resolution race continues to be on the mind of camera-makers, I'm convinced the most important camera feature is hype. Followed by price.

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NorBro said:
Probably should have referred to them as prosumers...pretty much everyone not in the 1%.

Nevertheless times are so confusing that it doesn't matter either way; it's a lose-lose for everyone making a camera, and the decline (numbers) is depressing.

On a side note, it took 48 hours for this one to become a best seller (B&H). Even though the resolution race continues to be on the mind of camera-makers, I'm convinced the most important camera feature is hype. Followed by price.

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That camera is a best seller because I doesn't let the resolution take away from everything one expects from high quality. Still has 13 stops DR and it still shoots raw video. On top of that it is insanely low cost for a 6k raw cinema camera which would typically cost at least 5x as much if not more.

Even then once all thee hype died down a lot of those super excited about the P6k came back down to reality and realized it wasn't a replacement or upgrade for the P4k. It is a special alternative and nothing more. Plus from a sensitivity, FOV and DOF perspective the P4k and focal reducer is a better option not to mention 4k raw is much smaller than 6k raw. Most of those that will use the 6k effectively will end up either shooting 4k ProRes internal or converting to 4k in post anyway so the 6k really just becomes an extra tool to provide options vs an overall quality perspective.
 
Thomas Smet said:
That camera is a best seller because I doesn't let the resolution take away from everything one expects from high quality. Still has 13 stops DR and it still shoots raw video. On top of that it is insanely low cost for a 6k raw cinema camera which would typically cost at least 5x as much if not more.

Even then once all thee hype died down a lot of those super excited about the P6k came back down to reality and realized it wasn't a replacement or upgrade for the P4k. It is a special alternative and nothing more. Plus from a sensitivity, FOV and DOF perspective the P4k and focal reducer is a better option not to mention 4k raw is much smaller than 6k raw. Most of those that will use the 6k effectively will end up either shooting 4k ProRes internal or converting to 4k in post anyway so the 6k really just becomes an extra tool to provide options vs an overall quality perspective.
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Not that any of this really matters, but technically it's a #1 seller. (I said Best Seller too.)

There's also a "Best Seller" list, which included the GH5, GH5S, P4K, Sonys, X-T3, etc. (Not every camera is awarded a #1 seller rating.)

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A few years ago, I would agree that many people would shoot 4K or at least convert from 6K --> 4K, but I think times have officially changed, IMO. Especially with the S1H's release too. Personally, I wouldn't buy a 6K camera to shoot 4K with it, but I'm biased and favor higher resolutions.

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I think the main point is that there is no end in sight for the resolution race. It's not really my opinion; it's just what's happening, what we're seeing.

If cameras were competing for dynamic range or heavily marketing that then I would mention that.
 
I've been reading about how people are enjoying this camera more than the P4K, but didn't want to get into it.
 
Sony releases the new 47MP and 8k30p MFT sensor fact sheet
It’s obviously only a wild guess if that is the sensor that Panasonic will use for the GH6 (or Olympus for the E-M1III). But one thing for sure 8k on MFT has become really close today!
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https://www.43rumors.com/sony-releases-the-new-47mp-and-8k30p-mft-sensor-fact-sheet/


Sony has released a document detailing the specifications for a 47-megapixel Micro Four Thirds (MFT) sensor capable of shooting up to 8K video up to 30 frames per second (fps).

The sensor, known as IMX492LQJ (there’s also a monochrome IMX492LLJ version), is listed as ‘a diagonal 23.1 mm (Type 1.4) CMOS image sensor with a color square pixel array and approximately 47.08 M effective pixels.’ According to the features list, the sensor features 12-bit A/D conversion, has a 2.315 micrometer (μm) pixel size and offers a variable-speed electronic shutter function.

As the above specifications note, the sensor can capture, in 10-bit mode with a 17:9 crop, 8K video (8192 × 4320 pixels) at up to 30 fps when paired with an SLVS-EC output interface. This resolution is exactly double the 4K (4096 x 2160 pixels) resolution of the 17:9 crop mode on the Panasonic GH5S.

Decreased power consumption is also noted, which should help extend the battery life of any camera it’s used in (or at least make up for a fragment of the increased processing power that will be required to handle all of the data).

It’s worth noting that although Sony lists the applications for this sensor as ‘Surveillance, FA cameras and Industrial cameras,’ the IMX299 inside Panasonic’s GH5S was labeled as such as well.

We could speculate whether or not this will be available on the next-generation MFT camera from Panasonic or Olympus, but the reality of it is we have no idea and won’t until any such camera is released—and maybe not even then.
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https://www.dpreview.com/news/84209...p-mft-sensor-capable-of-recording-8k30p-video

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