When it finally shows up. I will be impressed if the A7S3 has unlimited 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 recording...
GH5s? New low light monster?
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When it finally shows up. I will be impressed if the A7S3 has unlimited 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 recording...
I dont think a7s3 will have 10bit 4:2:2 (only HD?), it would be nice, but not essential. Maybe from marketing side. Solid 8bit 4K50p can be enough. Look at this video.
GH5s should have better low light than a7s which is awesome for me as Sony user. Since I am not huge fan of Panasonic, don't like hype around everything (since gh2?), "leaked" info before announcements, m4/3 sensor (I have some "DOF lover" clients) and lens selection. But if Panasonic pushing tech forward, other companies must too! Which is good news for everybody.
joe 1008
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This is not the perfect run & gun documentary camera we have been waiting for. Without IBIS, which would have allowed us to pull focus manually, even al gimbal won't make a stabilized shot easy without extra gear. So this is a camera for big setups – or very basic setups, which, by the way, could be a good thing to focus on the subject.
But it is amazing that now in 2018 prosumer cameras are surpassing the initial specs of the Red cameras. The GH5s has everything in body to shoot at Hollywood level. And there are several other cameras that do so more or less. But if you are on a tight budget and have to work with a small crew, a Olympus style IBIS and a Canon style AF would be very helpful. We still seem to be one generation away from that perfect little beast that is probably already being bred in some laboratory.
But it is amazing that now in 2018 prosumer cameras are surpassing the initial specs of the Red cameras. The GH5s has everything in body to shoot at Hollywood level. And there are several other cameras that do so more or less. But if you are on a tight budget and have to work with a small crew, a Olympus style IBIS and a Canon style AF would be very helpful. We still seem to be one generation away from that perfect little beast that is probably already being bred in some laboratory.
Bassman2003
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Thanks. The AF is kind of a sticking point for me as DSLR ergonomics, handholding and making on the fly camera changes is just too much for only two hands. AF imho is needed to really sing with these cameras in live filming situations. Overall, I can not understand the issues Panasonic is having with the GH AF system. I have a Panasonic LX7 which reacts just fine to putting your hand up in front of the camera, but the GH 5 just does not react??? Users of the DVX200 seem to like the AF as well as the still photogs with the GH5. What is the problem?
This cameras release is kind of falling down as more info becomes known. A new sensor seemingly would bring chances to improve upon older issues but it appears this new sensor is mainly better at light gathering and a little speed boots. The hopes of 60p in 10bit fell down. The hopes of DR improvement fell down. The AF system is similar and IBIS was taken away. From an outsider's point of view, this camera seems to have been rushed to market for some reason. Since I am not upgrading so to speak I will check it out but I am not as excited as I once was.
The new sensor is setting up for a killer DVX300 model if they want to go down that route. Lets hope 10bit 60p, DR improvements and great AF show up in that camera. It will be a tragedy if another 8bit camera is produced with such a capable sensor in the pipeline.
DVX300 with the new sensor would indeed be killer. Put the UX180 lens on it, and it would be even better.
It is worse, I suspect you almost have the pro/broadcast division that is fighting/hating their little brother consumer division :-(
(thus for example Panasonic cutting off it nose to spite its face with the EVA1 being released with a EF mount instead of locking MFT mount)
Hopefully retailers see the opportunity and offer EVA1/GH5S bundles themselves
Did you enter in the right focal length for the lens into the IBIS? As that is needed when using manual lenses.
Great to hear about both lowlight and color science being so good!
Yes, just showing that Panasonic is trying can go a long way to making the fans happy
How is the TC implementation "wonky"? Other than their use of a nonstandard connection. (which is why it is very good they're supplying the right BNC adapter cable with every camera! Awesome awesomeness)
Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
Evidently every time you power down the camera (say to swap batteries) the TC will be off by 9 frames when you power back up.
That isn't professional solution to reliable TC.
The reason they got ef mount is because its a much bigger market.
Dvx200 with gh5s sensor would be sweet. I wonder if they can improve the DR
I saw that, it seemed like madness to me. And must have been a mistake by the reviewer????
Think perhaps he meant *IF* relying upon the internal TC, as surely surely with a TC lockbox it should stay jammed???
They could have done BOTH!
Had EF and MFT, with a locking MFT as a submount to the EF mount on top.
And even if the pure EF market is perhaps bigger, is dumb indeed for them to sh*t on their MFT users by not releasing it with a MFT option! :-o
Oh well :-/
Agreed but that doesnt seem realistic.
Anyway heres a video mentioning eva1 and gh5s as deeloped together
https://youtu.be/PEyiSQi0luk
Anyway heres a video mentioning eva1 and gh5s as deeloped together
https://youtu.be/PEyiSQi0luk
puredrifting
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Are you a long time stills photographer? PC port is about the worst consumer connection ever invented, it's famous for not working a good portion of the time. Wish they could have fit a BNC connector but the PC port was aleady there in the body design so kudos to them for resourcefulness. The two engineers in the presentation I was at had a hard time getting two GH5S to "talk" to each other via time code the new custom cable. They failed, then they went and tweaked some settings and then it worked. As a pro, I would never rely on a PC port connection, its about on par with mini HDMI as far as reliability.
Jarek Zabczynski
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There are two camps of people for the GH series. People that use it as their A camera for primarily video, and people that use is as a B camera and for stills.
For people in the first camp, this is a solid upgrade, they sacrificed stabilization for image quality, boo hoo, learn to be a better camera op.
For those that use it as a secondary camera or for stills, it's not worth losing the stills portion.
I hate it when people whine over having choices.
For people in the first camp, this is a solid upgrade, they sacrificed stabilization for image quality, boo hoo, learn to be a better camera op.
For those that use it as a secondary camera or for stills, it's not worth losing the stills portion.
I hate it when people whine over having choices.
Panasonic cameras have a nice way of syncing to each other with the WiFi app. Set all to free run timecode and on the WIFi app geosync time to the phone or tablet time running the app. All will be in sync even when changing batteries. Will not work of course if you are plugged into a studio sync source but one would then hope the camera is also on a powersupply.
thus why tentacle sync is an ingenius device... albeit the extra gadget you have to rig
Agreed... the PC terminal is probably the worst "professional" connection ever put on pro gear. It makes micro-HDMI look like a damn BNC connector. We used to bring like 10 cables to every shoot we did with studio lights because there was a good chance only 3 out of those 10 were going to actually work... and it'd be a different 3 every time.
The reason the EVA1 got an EF mount is it has a Super-35 size sensor. While stuffing a S35 sensor behind a m43 mount can be done (I see you JVC) it's dumb. First off, it's REALLY squeezed in there, the m43 mount was designed to have a 4/3 sensor behind it, not APS-C. Second, NONE of the native m43 glass will work with it unless you crop the center out of the sensor to deal with the smaller image circle. Third, nearly everyone who'd buy an APS-C-behind-m43 camera is going to do so in order to put adapted glass on there... in that case, why not give them the most popular mount natively so their lenses work without having to translate the signals.
In short, for the vast majority of use cases the native EF on the EVA1 is going to work better, cost less to produce, and yield better results.
The reason the EVA1 got an EF mount is it has a Super-35 size sensor. While stuffing a S35 sensor behind a m43 mount can be done (I see you JVC) it's dumb. First off, it's REALLY squeezed in there, the m43 mount was designed to have a 4/3 sensor behind it, not APS-C. Second, NONE of the native m43 glass will work with it unless you crop the center out of the sensor to deal with the smaller image circle. Third, nearly everyone who'd buy an APS-C-behind-m43 camera is going to do so in order to put adapted glass on there... in that case, why not give them the most popular mount natively so their lenses work without having to translate the signals.
In short, for the vast majority of use cases the native EF on the EVA1 is going to work better, cost less to produce, and yield better results.
deltoidjohn
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This is great if you want to sync multiple Panasonic cameras together... but what about audio?
deltoidjohn
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This would become an extra breaking point, especially as that m4/3rds mount would be getting loaded up with lenses it was never designed for - like heavy cinema primes. They also likely would have had to sacrifice either the sensor size or the internal ND's in order to make it all fit.
The market the EVA1 is aimed at is one which will not tolerate using a m4/3rds mount with an adapter. They want a solid, tested mount with lots of native options and EF offers that; m4/3rds does not. Panasonic probably also feels that this reasoning is part of why the AF100 never took off.
If you're looking for an AF200, well then the EVA1 is not it - rather it is a camera aimed at professionals who are using established industry gear and workflows. This new GH5s though, assuming it also works with the GH5's audio box, is possibly as close as you'll get to a AF100 successor.