GH4 GH5: Seems they haven´t thought about DR at all. Awful DR?

Better DR at native ISO is how I was reading it because that translates to an across-the-board improvement.

Yes and no. Blackmagic cameras are infamous for having crappy performance when trying to shoot at higher ISO ranges, where the Canon EOS Cine cameras don't have this problem.

The Blackmagic Ursa Mini 4.6K camera might be amazing at 800 ISO ( with all 15 F-stops of DR doing their thing ), but turn into a giant turd when trying to shoot at 6400 ISO.

A Canon C100 with it's 12 F-stops of DR can easily shoot at 6400 ISO and produce a great image.

At 6400 ISO the Canon C100 beats the Ursa Mini 4.6K by a mile.
 
It's just not practical for me, given my age and the need to be highly mobile.

What I'm getting at is there is no "best camera", every camera has pros and cons.

There might be times where shooting RAW footage makes a lot more sense over shooting with a camera only shoots 8-bit or 10-bit footage, because of what you can do with the RAW footage in post.

Same goes for shooting with an ENG camera with a long zoom at a live event.

I expect a Sony A7S II to have 1 - 1.5 more F-stops of dynamic range than the GH5, but there are things that the GH5 can do that I'm willing to trade that 1.5 F-stops of DR for. Things like...

- Internal 10-bit 4:2:2 high bit-rate shooting ( grading should be a lot more fun in post with this format )

- Unlimited shooting time ( as long as your battery and memory cards can last )

- Long battery life ( 3+ hours with one battery, 6+ hours with the battery grip )

- 5K Anamorphic ( I'll have to rent the lenses, but it's something I would like to try )

I also like Panasonic V-log color when shot at a high bit-rate. ( the GH4 requires an external recorder )

I am sure I can live with the GH5's 12 F-stops of DR, as I am already pretty happy with what I can get out of the GH4, so for me this is a no-brainer upgrade.
 
nor should it stop camera makers from trying to improve on those cons

I will definitely push for better DR for the GH6, as I think that will be the direction to go for once the GH5 has been out for a couple of years.
( I am hoping that sensor tech has improved enough to make a real difference by then. Where are you Panasonic/Fuji organic sensor tech ? )
 
This clip is about the HDR mode in 5D MKIV (works in 1080 only) vs. 6D, where HDR is a Magic Lantern hack.


This fella gets beaten up a bit in the comment section but the HDR concept is shown fairly well.
 
Hmmm... The night street shot from the beginning of Luke's film looked great and it was not a low contrast scene.

Same goes for the shot near the end of the woman looking out over a sunlit ocean vista, which looked like full on sunlight and blue sky. ( It would interesting to see if you could open up the blacks to see if there was more detail in his footage. Adding a large reflector to kick some fill light into the shadows while shooting would have also helped the shot. )

Sorry, I was speaking specifically about the V-LOG L clips he made available for download. They are all fairly low contrast shots that fit comfortably inside of 10 stops.
 
The human eye can see only 10 F-stops of DR in bright light, and 20 F-stops of non-color vision in dim light. This does not translate well to the photo/video image.

How we see doesn't work that simply. Our visual perception system constantly adapts as our attention moves about the scene. To approach capturing what we "see" within one static shot, you need about 14 stops. If you want to have latitude to push that around, or to give a film-like curve without losing meaningful data, say a stop at the top and the bottom, you're at 16.

Please understand that I'm not trying to say that 12 is bad, or that you can't make beautiful images with 12. I'm just saying that there are valid reasons for pushing to 14-16 stop acquisition systems. Capturing that much DR will yield great creative freedom, and will increase in value as HDR displays become the norm.
 
This clip is about the HDR mode in 5D MKIV (works in 1080 only) vs. 6D, where HDR is a Magic Lantern hack.

Note that the GH5 does not utilize a dual-exposure HDR mode like this, or RED. It simply has a Hybrid Log Gamma profile for storing more DR in a REC709 signal. It does nothing to increase the DR the camera can capture.
 
How we see doesn't work that simply. Our visual perception system constantly adapts as our attention moves about the scene. To approach capturing what we "see" within one static shot, you need about 14 stops. If you want to have latitude to push that around, or to give a film-like curve without losing meaningful data, say a stop at the top and the bottom, you're at 16.

Please understand that I'm not trying to say that 12 is bad, or that you can't make beautiful images with 12. I'm just saying that there are valid reasons for pushing to 14-16 stop acquisition systems. Capturing that much DR will yield great creative freedom, and will increase in value as HDR displays become the norm.

I would also like more but I know it might be hard to achieve on a m43 sensor with 16+mp. I had hoped the GH5 would have stayed with a 16MP sensor to help inch up the DR but at best I think a sensor this size will only be able to inch up the DR each new generation. What is impressive is Panasonic managed to keep 12 stops or perhaps slightly better while increasing the sensor to 20mp. Perhaps if Panasonic leaves the darn resolution alone for the GH6 we can finally hit 13 stops.

I have pretty much come to the conclusion that if I want 14-16 stops of DR I will likely have to move up to a true cinema camera with raw. Not ready to do that yet and sacrifice all the other good things the GH cameras bring to the table. Every camera is about sacrifices and right now if 12 stops is my norm then I will make great use of those 12 stops. Besides I only started using v-log this year so some of my best work on the GH1, GH2 and GH3 has been much less than 12 stops.
 
I would also like more but I know it might be hard to achieve on a m43 sensor with 16+mp.

That's partly why I'd like to see someone come up with a DCI compliant m4/3 camera. With the sensor having only the necessary 8.8 million pixels (4096 x 2160), the photosites can be larger and more sensitive to light.
 
I would also like more but I know it might be hard to achieve on a m43 sensor with 16+mp. I had hoped the GH5 would have stayed with a 16MP sensor to help inch up the DR but at best I think a sensor this size will only be able to inch up the DR each new generation. What is impressive is Panasonic managed to keep 12 stops or perhaps slightly better while increasing the sensor to 20mp. Perhaps if Panasonic leaves the darn resolution alone for the GH6 we can finally hit 13 stops.

I have pretty much come to the conclusion that if I want 14-16 stops of DR I will likely have to move up to a true cinema camera with raw. Not ready to do that yet and sacrifice all the other good things the GH cameras bring to the table. Every camera is about sacrifices and right now if 12 stops is my norm then I will make great use of those 12 stops. Besides I only started using v-log this year so some of my best work on the GH1, GH2 and GH3 has been much less than 12 stops.

With current sensor technology, yes, they've hit the wall at a given size. But with the tech that is in the pipeline, the rules get re-written. The light gathering capability and the increase in SNR is *very* significant. This is proven, demonstrated tech. The only question is when it makes it into production.
 
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