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masnart said:
I've been shooting commercials and doing interviews with GH4 for years. I've never really had a problem with the skin tone. Perhaps it's your settings or the lighting?
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Since this is a very subjective thing, can you please either post or PM me an example you have shot that you consider to be great in terms of skin tones? It's useful to have a frame of reference when people discuss this stuff. For example, my reference is the unicyclist in the video above. It's a familiar look that is ok, but not great...for me. YMMV of course.

Regarding settings, I've tried them all! I also use (and don't use) the leeming LUTs, have shot vlog with and without 10 bit recorder, shot in natural light, tungsten sources, all of my LED's are very high TLCI/CRI, etc. It's all good, and I know how to get the best out of it, or close to it at this point. However, the moment I shot on the Canons (and I hate to say this!), I felt like I was getting something that I had been missing, especially when it comes to skin.

Having said all that, that's not what this thread is about and like I said, those that don't love the GHx color science have been saying this forever and those that like it have been defending it forever, so it's not really worth debating here. I'm just thinking out loud because I pre-ordered the GH5 and would love to have all of the features but am realizing that the color does gnaw at me in a way that is hard to shake, regardless of setting and grade.

Thanks
 
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ozmorphasis said:
For example, my reference is the unicyclist in the video above. It's a familiar look that is ok, but not great...for me. YMMV of course.
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Yes, the skin-tone looks terrible in those shots, but this looks like a variation on the much over used "orange and teal" grade. ( "orange and blue" grade in this instance )

I've been shooting with the GH4 for the past two years, and never had a problem with skin-tones on footage that I lit, shot, and graded. ( shooting mainly with the "Natural" and Cine-D profiles )
 
Yes CC is a very subjective thing. This subject can also depend on your background of work experience. I worked in the high end commercial and feature world and have a particular ascetic that is natural to my eye. Others may differ. Why don't you send me a frame of one of your shots that you don't like, and give me a brief description of what you don't like about it, and then we can have a frame of reference. Then I can send you a frame that might be applicable as comparison. The unicycle shot is a problematic reference because he is moving in and out of sunlight and the filmmaker noted he used a LUT. It's not a natural skin tone color.

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Here are three different shots from the video.

The first one has the LUT on it and I agree the skin tone is not a natural color.
The second frame has a more natural skin tone.
The third frame has a more natural skin tone as well.

Are frame 2 or 3 better skin tone examples to your eye?
 

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There are different skin tone variations in the video ozmorphasis referenced, and I was trying to determine if any of these looked acceptable to him.
 
Danilo Del Tufo said:
They just use a LUT, not doing manual grading, so the black are all crushed. So many people pointed the problem in the comments of youtube and I've thought to make a try to balance the lights and shadow.
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I assume Jordan can supply the V-log footage for grading if asked nicely and complimented on his Ray Liotta impression.
 
DLD said:
I assume Jordan can supply the V-log footage for grading if asked nicely and complimented on his Ray Liotta impression.
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I've posted the quick exercise on the original youtube page and on the GH5's Facebook forum, just on the second one I've got some good impressions.
 
masnart said:
Here are three different shots from the video.

The first one has the LUT on it and I agree the skin tone is not a natural color.
The second frame has a more natural skin tone.
The third frame has a more natural skin tone as well.

Are frame 2 or 3 better skin tone examples to your eye?
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Thanks for taking a quick moment to set that up!

The first two look pretty awful to me, but that is obviously as much to do with the grade as anything else. The skin is totally lifeless in the 2nd and shadows are pushed so far blue that their hair is doing all kinds of funky.

The third one is where things get very interesting for me. I'd like to get a hold of that V-log footage and have a play with it. The problem is that her skin is starting to look human compared to the others, BUT the trees and everything else in the frame are too warm. Unless you isolate that skin during the grade, balancing the rest of the image will suck that human warmth right out of her complexion too.
 
Thanks for taking a quick moment to set that up!

The first two look pretty awful to me, but that is obviously as much to do with the grade as anything else. The skin is totally lifeless in the 2nd and shadows are pushed so far blue that their hair is doing all kinds of funky.

The third one is where things get very interesting for me. I'd like to get a hold of that V-log footage and have a play with it. The problem is that her skin is starting to look human compared to the others, BUT the trees and everything else in the frame are too warm. Unless you isolate that skin during the grade, balancing the rest of the image will suck that human warmth right out of her complexion too.



Yep without isolating her face removing saturation would effect the overall color of the scene. Expose for the subject and adjust everything else. Production is basically overcoming the natural environments to create what you want. When talent is involved, rarely can you just shoot and it works out. But again it depends on what the end use is.
 
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