Yeah, thats how it usually is. But seriously, my GH2 is great...No complaints ,but I suspect, the upgrade bug will bite eventually.... I prefer to have all my accessories from factory-regarding audio and battery grip etc- but for now I'm ok... I'm assuming the footage is going to be gorgeous...
GH2 GH3 Anybody planning on purchasing the GH3 based on the current leaked specs?
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Yeah, thats how it usually is. But seriously, my GH2 is great...No complaints ,but I suspect, the upgrade bug will bite eventually.... I prefer to have all my accessories from factory-regarding audio and battery grip etc- but for now I'm ok... I'm assuming the footage is going to be gorgeous...
Won't we be all surprised if the GH3 is a big letdown 
... Seriously, this feels like one of those Apple hardware speculation marathons - then comes the announcement, and like clockwork, 100% of the time, people are severely disappointed because the speculation ran so wild the extreme expectations could never have been met... then comes the crying and screaming and cursing and anger and grief and mourning and finally acceptance. It will be a decent improvement, but there is just no way the GH3 will ever match what people are asking here, wild sh|t like 12-13 stops of DR and other madness plus a pony. It will be what it will be. Most folks will still buy the GH3. At which point again the wait will start for a new hack courtesy of our Russian friend. Meanwhile, until then, you can still use the GH2 - it's not like it suddenly gets worse the moment the GH3 comes out.
... Seriously, this feels like one of those Apple hardware speculation marathons - then comes the announcement, and like clockwork, 100% of the time, people are severely disappointed because the speculation ran so wild the extreme expectations could never have been met... then comes the crying and screaming and cursing and anger and grief and mourning and finally acceptance. It will be a decent improvement, but there is just no way the GH3 will ever match what people are asking here, wild sh|t like 12-13 stops of DR and other madness plus a pony. It will be what it will be. Most folks will still buy the GH3. At which point again the wait will start for a new hack courtesy of our Russian friend. Meanwhile, until then, you can still use the GH2 - it's not like it suddenly gets worse the moment the GH3 comes out.Won't we be all surprised if the GH3 is a big letdown
I dunno about the letdown... Panasonic seems willing to put everything that is feasible on the table....the Gh2 was a big step above the Gh1... the Gh3 looks to do the same. In contrast to the Canon t2i with minor, minor improvements with the t3i and t4i.
For me, the next big thing is DR... and the question is whether the Gh3 give us significantly better DR. If not I'll just save my shekels for the BMC-43rds, and keep the love on my pair of GH2's.
Oh, the wealth of choices.
Kevin Lee
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Won't we be all surprised if the GH3 is a big letdown
I certainly hope they listen to consumers and do not put out something like the 5D MarkIII with very few differences from it's predecessor.
But we don't get RAW output for video. That is where some of the other cameras really start to shine against the GH2 in terms of dynamic range. They simply have better extended dynamic range features than the GH2. I think this is where we are going to see most of the DR improvements in the GH3. A real working Intelligent Dynamic range function.
JohnTollwannabe
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I think a clean, capture-able HDMI signal at whatever bitrate and resolution selected would be, at the very least, extremely beneficial. If it was 10 bit 4:2:2, that would be superb. The GH2's HDMI is purposefully crippled and locked at 1080i.
However, given these potential specs. and the fact that Panasonic is aiming the LUMIX GH3 squarely at Canon's top tier HDSLR's, something tells me this camera body will not be just $1,000 at release and won't be another "toy." If that's the case, there is no reason Panasonic should needlessly cripple the HDMI output this time. If it has time code, then you would think Panasonic knows what people want this camera for.
Bern Caughey
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Unless the shooter wants to review slomo in-camera, a feature I find invaluable.
Actually there is a really cool trick for reviewing slow motion in camera.
- Record a regular 720p @ 60 FPS video. Play that video back and push the up arrow button(Pause) at the point you want to review the slow motion.
- Then either click the right arrow button to advance frame by frame or hold it down to play in what is close to 20% slow down.
This works extremely well and prevents the need from actually doing the real slow motion in camera. You can also click the Menu/Set button to capture a still frame from the video while it is paused. That is actually almost better than taking the still while filming because the button press while filming can shake the camera.
Danielvilliers
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From the rumors it is $ 1800 with the 14-140mm lens, so body about $ 1000/1100 which is good. People have to understand that this camera is an underdog and that it has to grab market share. You cannot possibly price the body at $ 800 more than a Nikon D7000 that has more or less the same spec. In trems of image quality, if the gh3 can reach the Dr and low light of a camera like the D7000 it will already be a feat. Now in terms of video it will be much better but that does not warrant a $ 800 difference against an APSC sensor Nikon established brand camera. More so that a full frame D600 below $ 2000 is coming out. Now Pana can put what ever price they want on the xlr module because it will be unique except the next Sony full frame but this will be in another price range.
I am expecting the GH3 body only price to be in the $1,200 - 1,400 range. This will largely be a video oriented camera, but if we are lucky it will produce still photos like the OM-D EM-5 camera does.
I think Panasonic woke up to the true value of the GH2 camera when the Zacuto Revenge Shootout was first shown in theaters and the GH2 won over a big chunk of the audience.
I agree, the Gh2 is an excellent camera and things are going to get better.
That D600 if released as said, will definitely shake things up...
Yes, it will be HUGE in the still photo world, but I'm not expecting much in terms of video. ( i.e. It won't steal any GH3 "thunder" in the video world )
Gabriel Berube
Well-known member
I'll buy the GH3 if only to get a strong, solid body with 1/8" audio in and another out, and not something as tiny as what's on the GH2 right now. I also hope the XLR adapter isn't too expensive and will enable manual control over sound with pan-pots. Aah, one can dream
Danielvilliers
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Yes, I don't think it will be better than the gh3 in video, but Panasonic cannot only rely on the video world. The big volume is in the photo and hybrid world. As an hybrid if this D600 comes with some good video like the D800, external uncompressed 422 hdmi, it could be good enough for 90% of photo and hybrid users. If the prices are the same, I don't see a m43 camera winning against a full frame one for 90% of dslr users. It will be hard not only to the gh3, but all the apsc cameras in the $ 1000/1500 price range.
From my perspective the big volume is in the average everyday people that want to take photos of their kids and make videos for YouTube, and they don't mind doing all of this on any camera that is easy to use.
In the DSLR world, I think Panasonic's niche is video, and they have the ability to hold on to this niche if they challenge themselves. ( competing directly against Canon and Nikon in the still photo world is a no-win situation when it comes to selling high volumes of product )
Trucci
Well-known member
These are figures for RAW stills. The figures fall when using JPEG and fall even further when using a compressed video format. The GH1's sensor is rated with a higher DR than the GH2 (11.6 vs 11.3), yet according to Barry's Stouffer chart measurement, video on the GH1 only reached 8.3 stops max.
For video, it's not so important that the GH3 has more DR in its sensor, but how much of that DR can be applied to the resulting video after in-camera processing. We may not even get a definitive answer to this until someone has a GH3 and tests it. This is why the BMCC is so refreshing. You get all the DR the sensor is capable of.
That said, I think the GH series has the best video processing out of all the DSLR cameras. The sheer resolution of the GH2 and lack of color moire alone sets it apart from the rest. I'm sure the GH3 will make many more significant improvements.
Danielvilliers
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Yes it is, but as from $ 1k, I think you change from the average joe to the enthusiast and pro market. But the enthusiast and entry level pro is still a very big market with Camera like the Nikon D7000/d300 and Canon 7d and 60D range of cameras. These people are far more regarding about the full ecosystem including lens choice, flash, etc. More so that generally they are have already invested quite a bit in these.
I am in such a position as a Nikon shooter, I would never have bought a gh2 if the body alone was costing more than my D300. In fact thinking more about it, if the gh3 does not boast a good DR, I will stick to my D800 and add a Blackmagic hdmi recorder and perhaps a mosaic filter. Samuel H said it was close to 12 stop with one of his profile.
Bern Caughey
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Interesting technique, but IF the rumors are true that multiple frame rates are available I'd prefer to review them in a 24p timeline to decide whether to change the pace of the action, camera move, or frame rate, & watch for strobing.
I shoot a lot of B-Roll off-speed, & the AF100's ability to review any of it's variable frame rates in a 24p timeline is very useful.
M. Gilden
Canon DSLR Moderator
Totally digging the leaked specs (if true) about this camera.
I just think its strange move for Panasonic to throw most of the features that made the AF100 more desirable into this one. There were quite a few users around here that said Panasonic's pro video reps don't like even acknowledging the GH2's existence.
(I actually just blogged about this yesterday)
But yeah, I will very likely buy this camera if its true.
I just think its strange move for Panasonic to throw most of the features that made the AF100 more desirable into this one. There were quite a few users around here that said Panasonic's pro video reps don't like even acknowledging the GH2's existence.
(I actually just blogged about this yesterday)
But yeah, I will very likely buy this camera if its true.