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RAW as in still RAW format? I would love to see this... obviously wouldn't even be in the "GH" classification though. is that how red footage works? I havent done much research on Red, I don't like putting a ton of research into cameras way out of my price range! haha.
 
Obviously with the announcement of the TM700 and the HS700 their is a chance that the successor of the GH1 will get 1080 60p but that's if theirs no heating issues. At least so far their haven't been any heating issues to my knowledge with the GH1 and I'm sure I'll be the first one to find out since I mostly use the 720 60p mode. Also, with 1 year of extra development, the technology is most likely better to handle 1080 60p.

I'm much more interested in 1080 60p than 1080 24p but I'm a little worried that the bit rate of the other modes will stay the same just like the TM700 and the HS700 and that pull-down may be added to 24p.

At least in the bright side, the low light capabilities should be much better, the banding that you see in very high ISO settings will be less, theirs a possibility that you'd be able to take a picture while shooting video at the same time and that you will not hear the shutter because it might be electronic instead of mechanical.

In other words, it'll have a lot of revolutionary features but at the same time they'll be areas in which it could have been better.

I'm still hoping that Panasonic does the right thing offer native 24p, native 60i, increase the bit rate, add B frames and offer external output when recording. Now with all that said, their biggest problem of them all is making them easily available especially in the US.
 
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Obviously with the announcement of the TM700 and the HS700 their is a chance that the successor of the GH1 will get 1080 60p but that's if theirs no heating issues. At least so far their haven't been any heating issues to my knowledge with the GH1 and I'm sure I'll be the first one to find out since I mostly use the 720 60p mode. Also, with 1 year of extra development, the technology is most likely better to handle 1080 60p.

I'm much more interested in 1080 60p than 1080 24p but I'm a little worried that the bit rate of the other modes will stay the same just like the TM700 and the HS700 and that pull-down may be added to 24p.

At least in the bright side, the low light capabilities should be much better, the banding that you see in very high ISO settings will be less, theirs a possibility that you'd be able to take a picture while shooting video at the same time and that you will not hear the shutter because it might be electronic instead of mechanical.

In other words, it'll have a lot of revolutionary features but at the same time they'll be areas in which it could have been better.

I'm still hoping that Panasonic does the right thing offer native 24p, native 60i, increase the bit rate, add B frames and offer external output when recording. Now with all that said, their biggest problem of them all is making them easily available especially in the US.
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sounds like you basically want a HVX in a dSLR body... which as others have said would hurt there pro video market.. I doubt we will see any of the companies come out with cameras that beat out there pro video cameras, until photography in the single frame form is dead.. till a dSLR can shoot 60fps at 12mp (just cause thats the GH1) i think a lot of those features will be saved for pro video specific cameras, hell.. look how many people on this forum have a GH1, as well as a HVX/HPX/HMC150.. by keeping this prosumer it really does make people put more money into their company.. even if you don't realize it.
 
I never implied that I wanted it to be like an HVX. The Canon HF S21 does native 24p at an average bit rate of 21Mbps. Even the Canon T2i DSLR has native 24p. Plus many cheep camcorders has external output when recording.
 
you did imply it.. you didn't say it outright.. but the list of choices you would like add pretty closely resembles cameras from the line I was talking about. to compare the HF S21 to this camera seems silly to me.. it isn't even in the same market, with a completely different feature set than this. I would be happy if the successor was based off SDXC, got rid of the auto gain feature, or atleast made it something you can turn off, and like you said picture during video. I think asking for much more is a pretty big wish.. this camera was not released to be your A camera.. just my 2 cents..

this thread is 100% built on speculation and opinions... and you know what they say about opinions!
 
If you don't want it compared to the HF S21 than what about the other camera that I mentioned (T2i)? I really do not think it's silly to expect certain features such as 24p without pull-down added and if Canon can do that in a cheep DSLR camera than their is no excuse for Panasonic not doing that in the successor of the GH1.
 
But that's just it, when will the big companies get it through their heads that sensors beyond 2/3" are going to be big too. 1/3" sensors have their place, they're useful for a lot of things, but 4/3", S35, etc. frame sizes serve an entirely different market that sorely needs attention. The mistake in thinking that's going on right now is that everyone wants 35mm DOF when that simply isn't the case. If I'm going to make a documentary, I'll need an EX1 but if I'm going to make a film, I'll take a 24p-capable VDSLR. I won't swap those positions because I'd hate to be out in the field going through crowds and such when all of a sudden I lose my subject in a sea of bokeh and have to frantically adjust. Now, going with a technology like Micro 4/3" sensors was probably not the best idea as it fits smack dab inbetween those two camps. However, if Panasonic won't support the format with the proper feature sets its user base demands, then they'll have a serious financial blunder on their hands.

Now, what do I think should (may?) happen is this:

1. Panasonic adds P2 support to the next GH successor - They released a cheap single-slot P2 reader and P2 was almost all but dead for a lot of people thanks to cheaper SD media, so that adds a lot of leeway for changing the codec and fundamental uses for the camera. Imagine just slotting in a single 64gb P2 card and being ready to go for days on end.

2. Add DVCPRO HD as a codec option - Why not? It's a very handy codec that is accepted and supported all across the board as far as NLE's are concerned and it would be a great help to filmmakers, especially with its 4:2:2 color space and multiple frame rate options. Plus, nobody said AVCHD couldn't stay an option as well.

3. Boost the stills capabilities of the camera to a higher megapixel ratio (14 or 16?) and add certain new age features like auto HDR.

4. Allow for uncompressed 1080P out through HDMI-only. That alone would make this camera a success.

5. Boost sensitivity overall to match Canon 7D and other competitors, ISO 3200 may be too far to reach but having clean ISO 1600 would be terrific.

6. Add USB 3.0 connectivity, it's out now so why not put in support even just in case?

7. Increase the resolution of the LCD, 'nuff said.

8. Add support for 3D filming through camera sync options or perhaps they could do that through utilizing #6 somehow.

That's my take, certainly don't expect any of these things to happen with this next round of cameras but maybe things will be different with the GH3.
 
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sounds like you basically want a HVX in a dSLR body... which as others have said would hurt there pro video market.. I doubt we will see any of the companies come out with cameras that beat out there pro video cameras
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Disagree completely. Companies come out with new models that obsolete their existing models, all the time. The HPX300 practically ate the lunch of 2/3" cameras for news. Not good news for the 2/3" camera sellers, but hey, it's a cannibalistic world, and you gotta make what sells, or someone else will.

Any manufacturer that clings to that old "we have to protect the higher line" mantra, deserves exactly what they'll get: oblivion.

You wanna be a success? Sell an irresistible product. If the older/higher-cost line can't compete... screw it, drop it, replace it. That's how things work.

i think a lot of those features will be saved for pro video specific cameras, hell.. look how many people on this forum have a GH1, as well as a HVX/HPX/HMC150.. by keeping this prosumer it really does make people put more money into their company.. even if you don't realize it.
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Price tag determines features. These companies design products to hit a certain price point. Pay more, get more. If they produce a pro-spec camcorder based off of the GH1, you can bet your life that it'll cost more than a GH1.
 
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But that's just it, when will the big companies get it through their heads that sensors beyond 2/3" are going to be big too.
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Do you really think they don't know that?

Now, going with a technology like Micro 4/3" sensors was probably not the best idea as it fits smack dab inbetween those two camps.
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No no no no... Micro 4/3 is close to the same size as the S35 SLR frame. 18mm wide, vs. 22mm wide. It's 4x bigger than a 2/3" chip.

However, if Panasonic won't support the format with the proper feature sets its user base demands, then they'll have a serious financial blunder on their hands.
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Blunder? Look, here's the problem -- everyone knows that everyone wants big chips. But what lens are you going to put in front of it? Solve that, and you'll see the floodgates open.

Point out the Canon or Fujinon broadcast zoom lens that covers the S35 frame, and doesn't cost $100,000, and you'll see the video camera manufacturers flooding you with choices. But until someone makes a lens that will work, what are they supposed to do?

Do you really want to see a big-chip camera from a professional video manufacturer, with a Nikon lens on the front? Who are they supposed to sell that to?

and P2 was almost all but dead for a lot of people
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Please cite your market research for this hyperbolic statement. P2 controls about 80% of the broadcast market, there's nothing "dead" about it.
 
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4. Allow for uncompressed 1080P out through HDMI-only. That alone would make this camera a success.
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And exactly what are you going to record uncompressed to? I keep seeing this feature requested but it's impractical.

If you record to a nanoflash that's still another 3K and if you're spending that much to make a vdslr function like a real camera then you're getting into Scarlet territory and might as well avoid the hack workarounds.

And I'll reiterate what Barry said and call bs on your P2 assertion. P2 is far from dead in the broadcast market.
 
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Disagree completely. Companies come out with new models that obsolete their existing models, all the time. The HPX300 practically ate the lunch of 2/3" cameras for news. Not good news for the 2/3" camera sellers, but hey, it's a cannibalistic world, and you gotta make what sells, or someone else will.

Any manufacturer that clings to that old "we have to protect the higher line" mantra, deserves exactly what they'll get: oblivion.

You wanna be a success? Sell an irresistible product. If the older/higher-cost line can't compete... screw it, drop it, replace it. That's how things work.
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i guess that my wording may have been a bit off, but my point was why bother making a camera that will make your pro video cameras obsolete by putting those features within DSLR platform, when in 5-10 years maybe.. everything will have to be run off a digital large format basis like red, or the alternatives you know these companies are looking into. it isn't a matter of the higher line, but it's whats cost effective for them to produce. however the statement sell an irresistible project does make me wonder about my skepticism on this camera.. as long as u can cover costs + as well as make money on the next model after, why not...
 
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Yes, that makes perfect sense; each product will be made and sold to the market that is most likely to buy it, and adding XLRs to a DSLR makes little sense.
 
GH2 'dual exposure' sensor

GH2 'dual exposure' sensor

I don't know why, but the link doesn't work directly, it's the first hit google offers

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=34564834



Quote:

"Panasonic have developed a 4K x 2K image sensor (approx. 12 megapixel) based on 'dual exposure technique' "

"The architecture change is a new design which allows green pixels to be read independently of the blue and red ones on the sensor."

"A factor of 4 increase in sensitivity will allow the Micro 4/3rds camera to surpass the full frame Canon 5DMkII. GH2 is currently slated for a September release date"

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Earlier in the event, Sony's Suzuki sees the following trends in digital CMOS sensors:

  • Ultra high speed
  • Global shutter
  • Wide dynamic range
  • Increasing depth of field


There don't seem to be any other sources for these infos though, I only know Tomoyuki Suzuki from Sony did speak about sensor development at the conference, no idea if the Panasonic stuff is true.

Anybody happened to be at the ISSCC last week?
 
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That was posted here several months ago, I think it was referencing a sensor conference that was taking place, but just because they're talking about it now, doesn't mean it's ready for introduction into actual products. It'd be great if it was, but don't be surprised if the next year's or two years' products don't include those kinds of technologies.
 
well the conference took place last week. But you're right, the author titles it

Panasonic engineer reveals workings of GH2 'dual exposure' sensor

but further down it says:
His presentation dealt with Panasonic's innovations in sensor design for forthcoming digital cameras such as the GH2.


This can mean anything I guess
 
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"I am told that since the fall of 2009, manufacture of the older GH1 sensor was transferred to the new Tonami plant to get things up and running there. Unforeseen circumstances resulted in a worldwide shortages of the GH1 at the same time period of the cross-over. These are now resolved and the plant is ready to produce the new GH2 sensor and other new Lumix G series image sensors. As a side note, I have noticed that newer stock of GH1s produce a slightly better image with less codec break up and banding than in the GH1's whose image sensors were produced at the older fab"
 
www dot eoshd dot com/
entry.php?29-Panasonic-engineer-reveals-workings-of-GH2-dual-exposure-sensor

Weird, it took 4 tries.

Just change the "dot" to "." and backspace the rest of the line below until it's one sweet little link. heh



sincerely,


ian
 
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