GH2 has the most inflexible color engine of all DSLR's

Makrofag said:
j1clark : check this video


While the 5D looks maybe a bit too vibrant the GH2 looks too dull and has a weird grey-super slightly yellow "mist" to the whole picture. From my experience it's always better to decrease the vibrance and saturation than to increase it. Cranking up the information the color information that just isn't there is futile.
Click to expand...

The GH2 looks a little like badly/uncorrected Viper footage... What was your WB set to? The GH2 has more color adjustments in the WB sub section as the GH1 does..


Pappas
http://www.facebook.com/PappasArts
http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms
http://www.PappasArts.com
 
Last edited:
Could be white balance issues. I don't have a GH2, but have a GH1 and a 5DmkII. The GH1 has a green cast under several lighting conditions, which seems to affect the entire color range. You have to go into White Balance, and tweak it away from green towards magenta, then it matches the 5D better.
 
j1clark@ucsd.edu said:
In these sorts of discussions I wonder how many people have actually used film... I'd imagine these days, fewer... Why do I ask... well, with film, it does not come out of the camera 'ready for viewing'... positive film was not typically used for production, and had severe limitations on latitude... just like digital cameras... but negatives, typically were shot 'flat', to allow for the contrast boosts that occurred in the photochemical reproduction process. Further, various methods were available to 'change things', but the point is, the 'first out of the can' was not likely to be the eventual seen on screen. In fact, back in the 70's some friends would shoot 'color' cine film, and get muted colors, because of this 'designed' attribute.

The few times I did hand color printing, where fraught with waving little filters in front of a test print, attempting to correct for various color skews... people who made this their profession would learn a number of standard methods to correct... along with having something of a good eye for 'color'. But if one paid, one could get a number of shifts to enhance or subdue any number of color attributes.

For my GH-1 I've used the various settings that people have mentioned, that seem to work for me, but my goal in image acquisition is to produce footage that can stand some 'tweeking', if I really want to present in color at all. For 'out of the camera', well for some happy shots it may be 'good enough' to have saturated colors that sort of set in the same space as what is observed. But I'm tending to setup to shoot flatter, more muted.

This doesn't really give the HDR, at popular prices, I'd really like, but at least I can work with things afterwards.
Click to expand...

J1Clark, I've shot a LOT of super 16. Film is the opposite of what is being brought up here, nothing but room to play in post.
 
Jonathan Briceño said:
Makrofag may be using this website to attack directly to GH2 users or future users. He just suscribe and have only post once, and have been today
Click to expand...

... yeah and the government of USA has contacted aliens in the 50's.. I have a life you know.. was editing the footage the whole night. The debate has took on without me. That's good. A rational debate is always good.

But I still have to wonder why people say "GH colors" are natural when we can see from already posted videos they are not at all in many situations. The party is not natural, the girl is not natural, my magic hour footage is neither natural not vibrant.. it's just completly bland and no mode fixed it and it was hard to get the highlights to what I want. To be honest the scene was just too much for the GH2 in any kind of setting with any kind of WB (i'm no amateur.. I know what white balance is and what it can do since the early days of digital photography).

I'm not claiming that the other manufacturer's colors are more natural.. I just say you can get more looks than with GH2.

To the guy who said cool is good with GH2. Exactly.. I now see it's much better to cool down the colors so it stays relatively neutral than to have an ugly yellow tinge to all of the colors which is hard to get out if you want to keep some of the other color information intact.
 
Last edited:
Cosimo Bullo said:
J1Clark, I've shot a LOT of super 16. Film is the opposite of what is being brought up here, nothing but room to play in post.
Click to expand...

No doubt about the latitude available in negative film. But the point is different film stocks have different primary characteristics, that yield different 'looks'. The 'grading' process does allow for more 'room to play'... or 'futz' depending...
 
Makrofag said:
To the guy who said cool is good with GH2. Exactly.. I now see it's much better to cool down the colors so it stays relatively neutral than to have an ugly yellow tinge to all of the colors which is hard to get out if you want to keep some of the other color information intact.
Click to expand...

Ok, now I'm worried... I did a little adjustment on your sample image. In Photoshop the reworked area of the GH-2 side, looks 'better' to me... but when I upload and display the JPG in my browser... it looks 'flat' and desaturated... I've been meaning to calibrate my screen for a while, but this is a difference between the 'browser' rendering, and Photoshop...

So, here's the reworked version, by adjusting blue and green 'down':

attachment.php
 
j1clark@ucsd.edu said:
Ok, now I'm worried... I did a little adjustment on your sample image. In Photoshop the reworked area of the GH-2 side, looks 'better' to me... but when I upload and display the JPG in my browser... it looks 'flat' and desaturated... I've been meaning to calibrate my screen for a while, but this is a difference between the 'browser' rendering, and Photoshop...

So, here's the reworked version, by adjusting blue and green 'down':

attachment.php
Click to expand...

I have to state the video with the girl is not my footage.. i'm still working on my footage that I have to show to my contractor this evening. And when it comes to the problems of browser/photoshop/monitors.. well bummer.. the first order of business to spare some headache is to have everything correctly set and calibrated.

About your footage.. well look at the plant.. it has a nasty yellowish feeling. When you enhance something you ussualy de-enhance something.. that's the reason why I say GH2 is far the worst output for colorgrading.. some colors are great, some are bland, some are almost non existent, the contrast on something is good, then on something it's bad.. it takes so much time to correct everything across the board. That's why color science is a real science and other companies have visibly spent much more time working on it. Or just guys at panasonic have very nerdy/unartistic taste for colors.
 
This thread started about the GH2s indoor color before expanding to color in general,as an ex 550D user i have no complaints regarding my current GH2s color outdoors,i have done little indoor filming,for fun users like me i want color fine from the camera as filming and editing is enough for me without color correction,
 
Makrofag said:
I have to state the video with the girl is not my footage..
Click to expand...

Ok, I was under the impression when you presented it, that it was something you had shot as a test. Be that as it may, I am going to investigate the browser issue, as I don't know if I've worried about that much. We set the Wife's display to be calibrated because she sends things to the lab for prints, but we usually do not view images on line via browser for critical work. When we do a job, we put 'proof' prints up for the customer to review, and then color correct for our print service we usually use.
 
The GH2's footage in the just previous examples does look flat and yellow compared to the Canon's. However, this could be pretty easily corrected in post with Apple Color or Davinci Resolve...
 
Makrofag said:
I have to state the video with the girl is not my footage.. i'm still working on my footage that I have to show to my contractor this evening. And when it comes to the problems of browser/photoshop/monitors.. well bummer.. the first order of business to spare some headache is to have everything correctly set and calibrated.

About your footage.. well look at the plant.. it has a nasty yellowish feeling. When you enhance something you ussualy de-enhance something.. that's the reason why I say GH2 is far the worst output for colorgrading.. some colors are great, some are bland, some are almost non existent, the contrast on something is good, then on something it's bad.. it takes so much time to correct everything across the board. That's why color science is a real science and other companies have visibly spent much more time working on it. Or just guys at panasonic have very nerdy/unartistic taste for colors.
Click to expand...

sorry but the panasonic gh2 looks so muhc prettier while the canon has less saturation
for my taste anyway.

also you can totally isolate the colors in grading
 
Makrofag its apples and oranges. There is clearly something wrong with the GH2 footage in your clips as its as soft as warm baby poo. How is that even possible when ostensibly the GH1 and GH2 respectively can blow the backside of a D5 with its resolution.

I think your trolling.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top