GH1 firmware research volunteers required

Tester13, are you certain that this sensor can not record 24fps at 720p or does this theory need more testing or research? This would certainly be a disapointment if so. Great job on everything else so far though! I hope you keep up the dedicated pace. I'm sure you can see now from the quick fundraising that there are a lot of dedicated and hopeful GH1 filmmakers out there (including myself).
 
If it's possible to push the motion JPEG to 60p instead of 30p that would be amazing because the 60p can be slow motioned or converted to 24p in post (which is actually pretty easy and can look quite good...certainly better than 30p.)

I realize this means twice the throughput which could mean half the bitrate, but if the bitrate can be increased too then 60p could be an ideal solution.

I get this probably sounds silly to those in the know..I am just operating on the assumption that 60p might be slightly more possible than 24p since things seem capable of 30p.
 
"No width reserve" -- does that mean we could get 2k CinemaScope (2048 x 858) then? Will it possible to custom set the region of interest on the sensor? And would there be a possibility to use a 1:1 pixel window area (no pixel downsampling), useful for C-mount lenses with the smaller image circle?
 
From my understanding higher bitrates would mean better compression and would allow the footage to endure more intense CC without falling to pieces. If this is correct this would be the biggest advantage for me. How high do you thing the bitrate could go in FullHD mode?
 
rawfa said:
From my understanding higher bitrates would mean better compression and would allow the footage to endure more intense CC without falling to pieces. If this is correct this would be the biggest advantage for me. How high do you thing the bitrate could go in FullHD mode?
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I don't think more than 24Mbps will be possible due to the H.264 codec chip on-camera, I think it's already being fooled into doing High@4.0 instead of Standard@4.0, HiProfile@4.1 would be the next best (24Mbps). 4.2, 4.3 and 5.0 and 5.1 would most likely not be possible at all. (the latter have 4:2:2 support).

My money is on it being identical to the iPhone and other H.264 low power codec processors, El Gato Turbo 264 HD comes to mind.
 
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Here is illustration:

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Wider sensor window is for 1280x720p60, and other is 1280x720p50.
So, in reality horizontal resolution must be better in p60.
But both do not have 1280 horizontal pixels :)
Plus, from used numbers I can assume that this is not real raw setup data.
As usable sensor size is about 4130x3000, so some kind of binning mode is activated.

We must shoot graph paper to understand better.
 
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It does so at 24.00PsF No? not at the more preferable 23.976 though.
And at some weird resolution that needs de-staircasing to convert No?
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D90 have absolutely different hardware.
5D Mark II added 24fps is more interesting case, I believe they also added scanning areas on bottom and may be on top.
 
tester13, that confirms what the manual states...the sensor output is 1080p24 and 720p60. Both are lazily referencing 23.97 and 59.94.
 
Path said:
tester13, that confirms what the manual states...the sensor output is 1080p24 and 720p60. Both are lazily referencing 23.97 and 59.94.
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Try to read my previous post, please!!!
They are not lazely referencing anything, they actually shoot at 23.97 and 59.94, period.
 
take it easy man, the manual states exactly that in FHD mode "Sensor output is 24 fps". I am saying that Panasonic is being lazy in their manual by printing 24 when, in reality, the fps off the sensor is 23.97.
 
Path said:
take it easy man, the manual states exactly that in FHD mode "Sensor output is 24 fps". I am saying that Panasonic is being lazy in their manual by printing 24 when, in reality, the fps off the sensor is 23.97.
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I clearly said that actual fps are.
Manual is written by technical writers who know nothing about camera internal functions.
And sensor have no such thing as "fps" . At all. It have sensor read speed.
At least try to read thread you are posting to.
 
24fps= 23.976 in nearly every ntsc video camera, this isnt something new to the gh1. Most people just say 24fps but they really mean 23.976/23.98. Its a trickle down from when b+w tv became color.

From wikipedia:

"In January 1950, the Committee was reconstituted to standardize color television. In December 1953, it unanimously approved what is now called the NTSC color television standard (later defined as RS-170a). The "compatible color" standard retained full backward compatibility with existing black-and-white television sets. Color information was added to the black-and-white image by adding a color subcarrier of 4.5 × 455/572 MHz (approximately 3.58 MHz) to the video signal. To reduce the visibility of interference between the chrominance signal and FM sound carrier required a slight reduction of the frame rate from 30 frames per second to approximately 29.97 frames per second..."
 
Tester13, you guys are saying the same thing. We have a language barrier. I think we're all trying to exhibit some patience, and I hope you will do the same.

By the way, is somebody getting that graph paper footage you requested? If not, I can do it later today. I would have it ready about 6 hours from now. Just let me know.
 
billy fattey said:
Tester13, you guys are saying the same thing. We have a language barrier. I think we're all trying to exhibit some patience, and I hope you will do the same.

By the way, is somebody getting that graph paper footage you requested? If not, I can do it later today. I would have it ready about 6 hours from now. Just let me know.
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We are no saying same thing.
As from sensor scan calculations you could clearly get actual fps.
So, no such term as "fps" exists for sensor, only read speed and used sensor window.
By enlarging window you are dropping "fps".
I do not know if it is possible to change read speed at all, but in video shooting they use constant speed.

Graph paper is still actual, make one using online generator link I provided, print it out, and shoot in tightly controlled manner (as you'll need to change firmware with NTSC->PAL or PAL->NTSC patch, but camera must be fixed and it is not easy). In extreme case, just align top left corner to be on big grid point.
 
I'm doing this right now.

The only patches I applied for both was Version Change / 30min removal / (pal/ntsc patch)
Shooted 1080 on a random grid, tripod, 35mm focal lenght extly the same setting.

did you need the original Private sctructure or can I make a vimeo version or something?


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The patch worked since they really asked me to format the card when I wanted to record 25fps footage (while I had 24p footy on card)
 
You can provide just individual frames here.

And I am more interested in 720p.
But 1080p is also good.
Grid must be fine enought.
 
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