wellandman
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out of these 3 which has the overall best picture quality.
canon G30 Pan ag130 /160 / sony nx70
Or other suggestions
canon G30 Pan ag130 /160 / sony nx70
Or other suggestions
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AC130: ga30 vs ag130 vs sony nx70
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Mike Warren
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I don't know what a GA30 is, but that question isn't really that simple.
Between the NX70 and the AC130, the AC130 will give a better picture in the majority of cases. But, if you are using the camera in full auto, the AC130 will fail to produce the best result (missed focus and exposure) more often than the NX70. It's a case of what your requirements for the camera are. If you need to film something far away and need the zoom range of the 130 then the NX30 will fail all the time. Likewise, the 130 will have slightly less noise in lower light, but the image stabilization will make for smoother hand held shots on the NX70. Most of these things are to do with physics and the different sensor sizes.
Really, they are for different purposes. Even the most expensive cameras will be outperformed by much cheaper cameras in a small range of situations.
Between the NX70 and the AC130, the AC130 will give a better picture in the majority of cases. But, if you are using the camera in full auto, the AC130 will fail to produce the best result (missed focus and exposure) more often than the NX70. It's a case of what your requirements for the camera are. If you need to film something far away and need the zoom range of the 130 then the NX30 will fail all the time. Likewise, the 130 will have slightly less noise in lower light, but the image stabilization will make for smoother hand held shots on the NX70. Most of these things are to do with physics and the different sensor sizes.
Really, they are for different purposes. Even the most expensive cameras will be outperformed by much cheaper cameras in a small range of situations.
wellandman
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Thanks for that mike canon G30 / XA 20
I record bands so need a static one sometimes a fair distance away on a fixed tripod.
did try a friends xa20 out but not that impressed really, as the pic looked a bit washed out not that sharp and not vibrant this was compared to a panasonic x920.
I borrowed as well sat on a 2nd tripod side by side.
Also heard the sound on 130 not that good so may go for a 2nd hand 160.
Looking at 130 / 160 as the zoom fits the bill.
Another thing been looking at panny G3 footage on vimeo was quite surprised how good dslr's have got.
please understand that im new to video so take this into account
I record bands so need a static one sometimes a fair distance away on a fixed tripod.
did try a friends xa20 out but not that impressed really, as the pic looked a bit washed out not that sharp and not vibrant this was compared to a panasonic x920.
I borrowed as well sat on a 2nd tripod side by side.
Also heard the sound on 130 not that good so may go for a 2nd hand 160.
Looking at 130 / 160 as the zoom fits the bill.
Another thing been looking at panny G3 footage on vimeo was quite surprised how good dslr's have got.
please understand that im new to video so take this into account
Michael Carter
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I did a shoot with the 130 from a helicopter with the doors removed, hanging from a lap belt with my feet on the skids. The vibration was insane, but the footage really worked, even with long zooms. Never shot with the NX70, but the 130 did a great job and works well handheld with stabilization on.
wellandman
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have you got the film would love to see
Mike Warren
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It does work, but not as well as pretty much any current high end 1/4" chip camera. It's just physics and the fact that the lens is larger on the 1/3" cameras.
LanceOregon
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Well, the AC130 does not offer LPCM audio when shooting in AVCHD high def. It only offers Dolby-Digital 2 channel. Its zoom lens is excellent, though, in both image quality and range. And it performs better in low light than the x920, in my opinion.
The Panasonic GH3 does produce absolutely awesome footage, superior to the AC130/160. If you can live within the limitations of DSLR shooting, it would give you wonderful results. You probably would want to add an external audio recorder to use with it, though.
These videos are nothing special, but do show off the abilities of both cameras. This first one was shot with my AC130 outdoors at an event in the early evening, where the long zoom really made it handy for me to record the action, from well back in the audience. I zoom out near the end of the performance, showing the audience, and how far away I was from the stage.
And here is another early evening video, shot with my GH3 of a local blues band:
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kwkeirstead
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@wellandman. . . .Hi, I have an AG-160A and do about 30 stage events a year ranging from 5 to 80 performers. For the larger events, I am often 65 feet away, sometimes 80. Not sure what you mean by "the sound on 130" - most camcorders have terrible sound, so my strategy is channel 1 on Rode VideoMic, sound board feed on channel 2 and a detached Tascam field recorder as a backup. I doubt there would be any sound difference between 130/160 using their in-camera mics except that for external feeds you can record LCPM on the 160A. For smooth zooms, I recommend the Studio 1 Productions remote (best not to touch the camera). I rarely ramp up the gain, and 12 db is the absolute highest I will go (better sometimes to have a bad shot instead of no shot) but I am not happy even at 6db gain. I am not too keen on the OIS (it sort of works, newer camcorders apparently do a much better job). Forget trying to use autofocus unless you are able to take the camera from view A to B through a high contrast zone (works ok if you do that). All in all (I also do interviews and documentaries) the 160A has been excellent for me. I lament having to shift ND manually but I don't think many camcorders have ports for ND adjustments that a remote could plug into.
Mike Warren
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On cameras that have an ND switch, the switch is mechanically connected to the ND filter wheel. Since there is no electronics involved it's not possible to remotely control it.
kwkeirstead
Well-known member
Agree. You would have to have a small motor drive in the camera.
Go to this website (it's in German but if you're familiar with camera jargon then you can follow it, otherwise there's always Google Translate)
http://www.camcorder-test.com/camcorder.html
Select the cameras that you seek to compare and then press the "Anzeigen" button.
I've found that the frame grabs near the bottom of the comparison are the most helpful. They show the luminance detail, chromatic detail, effective resolution, and low-light capabilities.
http://www.camcorder-test.com/camcorder.html
Select the cameras that you seek to compare and then press the "Anzeigen" button.
I've found that the frame grabs near the bottom of the comparison are the most helpful. They show the luminance detail, chromatic detail, effective resolution, and low-light capabilities.
wellandman
Member
we can all read specs but what matters is picture quality, ignore the marketing hype, i have seen some good stuff on youtube vimeo with sony nx70 but yet to test out. panny sd900 x900 x920 seemed a lot sharper and more vibrant brighter colours than the canon G30/xa 20 which to me looked washed out like the colours and sharpness had been turned down a fair bit.... not sure if its the compression thats being used in this codec those new cameras are using
would love to borrow a few cams and really test them out ... maybe asking too much for the price but cant really justify 1800 worth of picture quality.
from what i have seen the ag160 sony nx5 look good so if you buy 2nd hand but those are oldish models but if the picture quality is better than be it.
would love to borrow a few cams and really test them out ... maybe asking too much for the price but cant really justify 1800 worth of picture quality.
from what i have seen the ag160 sony nx5 look good so if you buy 2nd hand but those are oldish models but if the picture quality is better than be it.