Fuji X-T3 released

In some of the videos posted on youtube with footage from the new X-Pro 3 (same sensor, processor, similar hardware), the auto focus for video is not best in class but certainly usable and not micro pumping like on the latest X-T3 firmware. I'd say it looks about like what it was on the X-T3 on the previous firmware. Hopefully what ever the algorithms are in the firmware for the X-Pro 3 make it to the X-T3. It's frustrating that it's taken Fujifilm so long to release an update for something they obviously already have a fix for.
 
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yoclay said:
"Everybody wants to believe in conspiracy theories because it helps life make sense....It helps us believe that somebody is in control, that somebody is calling the shots."

- Edward Snowden on the supposed existence of proof of aliens and UFO's in CIA files. (He discovered there wasn't any)
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What you might call conspiracy, I call connecting the dots. And you don't have to be Sam Spade to do it.

This, for example, is a 3 1/2 year old interview with Fuji managers. Can you spot holes in answers that one can drive a driverless truck through? I know I can.

https://www.fujirumors.com/fuji-man...jifilm-aps-c-24mp-is-best-future-lenses-more/
 
puredrifting said:
How is the latest FW for AF on the GH5 versus what the FW2.X was on the XT-3? I would think the XT-3 FW, once they fix it, will be at least as good as how it was on the FW2.X versions, if not better? I heard the latest FW for the GH5 really improved the lackluster AF?
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It is working well enough for my purposes.

Going back to having a full size HDMI port is better too, since I had to send my X-T3 body back to Fuji when the mini one ripped out during production.
 
mcgeedigital said:
It is working well enough for my purposes.

Going back to having a full size HDMI port is better too, since I had to send my X-T3 body back to Fuji when the mini one ripped out during production.
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Full size HDMI...drool (Homer Simpson donut/food sounds)
That micro HDMI is probably the single worst omission, lack of a workable feature on the camera. Fingers crossed, havent killed mine. Yet.
How long did it take to repair it and how much did it cost if you don't mind me asking?
 
Carlos Morillo said:
In some of the videos posted on youtube with footage from the new X-Pro 3 (same sensor, processor, similar hardware), the auto focus for video is not best in class but certainly usable and not micro pumping like on the latest X-T3 firmware. I'd say it looks about like what it was on the X-T3 on the previous firmware. Hopefully what ever the algorithms are in the firmware for the X-Pro 3 make it to the X-T3. It's frustrating that it's taken Fujifilm so long to release an update for something they obviously already have a fix for.
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I noticed that on Kai's review video, no micro focus hunting. From what HelloMarvin posted a while ago, the XT-3 is supposed to inherit the same AF in the next FW. Wish they'd get their rears in gear and release it.

Good luck with a class action. Most people here are probably too young to recall the Sony PD-150 audio debacle back in the day. That was much more egregious than the Fuji XT-3 AF debacle and the Sony class action never
went anywhere. At least you can turn off the AF on the XT-3 and manually focus it. The PD-150/170 had completely ununsable audio, brand new from the factory, filled with hiss, internal motor transport noise,
it was like buying a S16 film camera with no internal audio capability, the audio was completely useless. And this was in the days before we had cheap, small, high quality audio recorders.
 
puredrifting said:
Full size HDMI...drool (Homer Simpson donut/food sounds)
That micro HDMI is probably the single worst omission, lack of a workable feature on the camera. Fingers crossed, havent killed mine. Yet.
How long did it take to repair it and how much did it cost if you don't mind me asking?
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About two weeks door to door and ~$240, iirc.

BTW Fuji had a GFX100 MF camera event locally, so I went to check it out since I shoot all of my landscapes on a GFX50s.

Great camera, but even though it was much bigger than mine, they STILL did not have a full size HDMI output on it.

Gave the Fuji rep an earful on that one.
 
puredrifting said:
I noticed that on Kai's review video, no micro focus hunting. From what HelloMarvin posted a while ago, the XT-3 is supposed to inherit the same AF in the next FW. Wish they'd get their rears in gear and release it.

Good luck with a class action. Most people here are probably too young to recall the Sony PD-150 audio debacle back in the day. That was much more egregious than the Fuji XT-3 AF debacle and the Sony class action never
went anywhere. At least you can turn off the AF on the XT-3 and manually focus it. The PD-150/170 had completely ununsable audio, brand new from the factory, filled with hiss, internal motor transport noise,
it was like buying a S16 film camera with no internal audio capability, the audio was completely useless. And this was in the days before we had cheap, small, high quality audio recorders.
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Did you blimp your pd150, Dan?
 
DLD said:
What you might call conspiracy, I call connecting the dots. And you don't have to be Sam Spade to do it.

This, for example, is a 3 1/2 year old interview with Fuji managers. Can you spot holes in answers that one can drive a driverless truck through? I know I can.

https://www.fujirumors.com/fuji-man...jifilm-aps-c-24mp-is-best-future-lenses-more/
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You can connect the dots in any way you chose. If for instance, you chose to believe that someone is out to get you, then that is what you will see.
Not saying you are, but obviously this is super important to you. I would just be careful in assuming that something like this is intentional.
That may be more of a reflection of your need for Fuji to fix this, than the truth.

Only 15% (at best) of Fuji's profit comes from digital imaging. Of that percentage an even smaller amount comes from cameras, and of that amount you must realize that R&D is largely allocated to going forward. If that team has been focused on the latest camera release (the X-Pro-3), well, then your need as an enduser is just going to be on the back burner.

Sorry, but that's the more likely explanation and the reality of what has been going on behind the scenes.
 
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yoclay said:
You can connect the dots in any way you chose. If for instance, you chose to believe that someone is out to get you, then that is what you will see.
Not saying you are, but obviously this is super important to you. I would just be careful in assuming that something like this is intentional.
That may be more of a reflection of your need for Fuji to fix this, than the truth.

Only 15% (at best) of Fuji's profit comes from digital imaging. Of that percentage an even smaller amount comes from cameras, and of that amount you must realize that R&D is largely allocated to going forward. If that team has been focused on the latest camera release (the X-Pro-3), well, then your need as an enduser is just going to be on the back burner.

Sorry, but that's the more likely explanation and the reality of what has been going on behind the scenes.
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In the eyes of the law, negligence (unintentional) is treated the same as fraud (intentional) as many times it's not possible to determine what has happened.

As one very familiar with the 2012 5D3 and ML RAW (7 years old now), do you honestly believe the cartel and crippling don't exist or that the appearance of operating like a cartel is a coincidence?

The Age of Deception is being challenged with Truth on a worldwide scale that is truly breathtaking! So much is being revealed- both good and not so good, yet truth nonetheless.

Connect the dots:

US Navy portable fusion reactor patent: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a29427713/navy-compact-fusion-reactor/
US Navy antigravity drive patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en
Strange flying craft recorded by US Navy (via curiously unarmed F-18s): https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-capture-ufo-sightings-it-calls-them-n1056201

Remember Cold Fusion- how it was panned by "scientists" and the media, guess what- it actually works: https://www.wired.com/1998/11/coldfusion/
From Los Alamos National Laboratory:
Claytor is soft-spoken, amiable in a low-key way, but if he has a sense of humor, he hides it. He's the most conventional cold fusionist I've met: clean shaven, conservative, and neatly dressed.

Initially, he was a skeptic. "We ran some experiments," he says, "and didn't get any results. Then we got some results three months later, but we didn't believe the results. Then we replicated them, and I realized there was something here. I think we spent about $300,000, mostly on labor - not a lot by Los Alamos standards."
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Perhaps the camera cartel isn't that big of a deal when looking at the big picture and world events.

Regarding the X-T3 losing AF and no fix in sight for > 6 months- that's the kind of thing the Song Beverly Consumer Act was created to address. Perhaps if more X-T3 owners flood Fuji with requests to fix the issue it will happen? Otherwise, the Song Beverly Act can be applied 4 years after the warranty has expired: https://www.tysonmendes.com/latent-...tionable-under-californias-lemon-law-statute/
 
yoclay said:
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Not saying you are, but obviously this is super important to you. I would just be careful in assuming that something like this is intentional. That may be more of a reflection of your need for Fuji to fix this, than the truth.
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We'll be probably boring other posters here but the reason I included the link is because a Fuji executive was doing some serious verbal gymnastics trying to justify his company's market strategy. For example, when he says that "Fuji is not Sony's, who's making own sensors", he is ignoring very successful companies like ARRI and Red who went to a third party to manufacture the sensor to the specs they wanted or BMD and Sigma who bought "off the shelf" but nonetheless delivered a quality product with top specs. Commensurately, he suggests that Fuji couldn't do likewise and, say, go to Samsung, but had to do business with Sony. Naturally, there's no followup on that matter from the interviewer.

Then he calls a "technical race" pointless. Which it may be, if you're not interested in winning it. But, in the smartphone market, which is not controlled by the Big Four, technical race is the only race that is being undertaken.

One could go on and on but I find those comments so deceiving that it makes me distrust the entire company. In other words, knowing the background of the industry in general and Fuji in particular, I find Fuji's general claims about accidental software glitch highly suspect. YMMV.

PS. The Japanese backroom wheeling-and-dealing has been brought up before. One could even go as far back as the mid-1980's when Jeffrey Kessler sued the Japanese TV manufacturers at the behalf of the US TV manufacturers on the anti-trust grounds.
 
jcs said:
As one very familiar with the 2012 5D3 and ML RAW (7 years old now), do you honestly believe the cartel and crippling don't exist or that the appearance of operating like a cartel is a coincidence?
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I honestly believe that giving the camera AF and then "crippling" it out of a desire to participate in a "cartel" or pursue a marketing strategy is more X-Men than reality.
Cartels exist for before you create something, not after. Why expend resources on something you would want to take away ? Doesn't make sense.

I can understand developing a technical capacity and not releasing it until a future update or because it has consequences for other technical aspects (like downscaling), but I cannot understand releasing something and then taking it away. The kind of frustration that would induce in a client is not what any commercial enterprise wants to consciously practice.

Frankly, Fuji would not have continued to advance eye detection with 3.0, if their intention was to give you less and take things away.
It just doesn't make sense from a resources or financial point of view.
People here have got to start thinking about how companies try to maximize resources, not just framing things in terms of their own needs.
And certainly no camera manufacturer wants to be known for having stuttering auto-focus.

The more likely answer is that they unintentionally created issues when they advanced the eye detection AF.

My biggest issue with this annoying and silly stuff, is not the loss of a function, whether intentional or not.
My issue crosses many industries, including and especially iphones, etc. and that is the inability to backtrack in firmware.

Which brings me to my last point. You and DLD are obviously intelligent and discerning individuals who have been around the block a few times.
When an update for an iphone or some such device comes out, do you automatically and as a knee jerk reaction update your phone ?

Probably not. Because you know that there could be an issue lurking there, which you cannot backtrack on if you update.

So. The responsible thing a professional does with a tool that they use quite often...is what ?

You wait. You wait to see if there are any issues out there and then once you are sure there aren't...you update.

I typically wait 3-6 months before updating my cameras. This has been my practice for the last 10 years.

Which is why I still have firmware 2x on my Fuji X-T3.
 
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yoclay said:
You wait. You wait to see if there are any issues out there and then once you are sure there aren't...you update.

I typically wait 3-6 months before updating my cameras. This has been my practice for the last 10 years.

Which is why I still have firmware 2x on my Fuji X-T3.
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I have to say this is me. I did wait, almost 3 months. With no reports of any problems that I could find. I think the issue with the focus twitching is subtle and a lot of users don't even notice it, especially consumers who
aren't delivering a product to paying clients who might notice this sort of issue. Even with me, it took me a few shoots with the focus messing up to set up some tests and actually isolate what the camera is doing.

As far as all of the conspiracy theories, they may or may not be true, but I agree with you, it is more likely oversight. Comparing the FW 2.0 to the 3.0 upgrade, the focusing sensitivity in the camera settings is simply too
sensitive. With my XF16mm f/1.4 WR, you can make the camera stationary, aim it at a stationary object with good exposure, put your hand lightly on the lens and you will feel that the focusing motor never stops activating.
Ever. In this scenario, every other AF camera and lens I have owned would be relatively stationary with no constant micro adjustments. That's the thing that's vexing about this issue, it SEEMs as if Fuji should just be able
to dial down the sensitivity in the AF algorithm and problem would be solved. There are probably other factors which I know nothing about what dialing down the sentivity would do but who knows?

Personally, I would 100% give up face and eye detection, just to get an AF C zone focusing that worked reliably. I can live with the focus delay and exposure compensation on the XF zooms,
but on a gimbal and slider, I can't live with a useless AF system.
 
puredrifting said:
I have to say this is me. I did wait, almost 3 months. With no reports of any problems that I could find. I think the issue with the focus twitching is subtle and a lot of users don't even notice it, especially consumers who
aren't delivering a product to paying clients who might notice this sort of issue. Even with me, it took me a few shoots with the focus messing up to set up some tests and actually isolate what the camera is doing.

As far as all of the conspiracy theories, they may or may not be true, but I agree with you, it is more likely oversight. Comparing the FW 2.0 to the 3.0 upgrade, the focusing sensitivity in the camera settings is simply too
sensitive. With my XF16mm f/1.4 WR, you can make the camera stationary, aim it at a stationary object with good exposure, put your hand lightly on the lens and you will feel that the focusing motor never stops activating.
Ever. In this scenario, every other AF camera and lens I have owned would be relatively stationary with no constant micro adjustments. That's the thing that's vexing about this issue, it SEEMs as if Fuji should just be able
to dial down the sensitivity in the AF algorithm and problem would be solved. There are probably other factors which I know nothing about what dialing down the sentivity would do but who knows?

Personally, I would 100% give up face and eye detection, just to get an AF C zone focusing that worked reliably. I can live with the focus delay and exposure compensation on the XF zooms,
but on a gimbal and slider, I can't live with a useless AF system.
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Understandable. That makes sense.
One thing I learned from you is to never buy a camera for what it might eventually be, but rather what it offers now.
I try to keep this in mind whenever I purchase anything new now.
Thanks for that.
 
mcgeedigital said:
That is useless on a gimbal
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Yep, agreed. The XF16mm f/1.4 has a focus clutch by moving the focus ring, just like my Tokina 12-24mm f/4.0 had back in the day but trying to track focus manually in 4K with a gimbal is nearly impossible unless you are blocking, rehearsing moves on a scripted thing.
You could just flick the AF mode switch on the body on and off but that doesn't solve the problem.
 
yoclay said:
Understandable. That makes sense.
One thing I learned from you is to never buy a camera for what it might eventually be, but rather what it offers now.
I try to keep this in mind whenever I purchase anything new now.
Thanks for that.
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So true. That's why all of the potential FX-9 buyers should keep that in mind about 16-bit RAW. It may or may not happen no matter what Sony says. All manufacturers have broken promises too.
This goes back decades. If I was buying the XT-3 today, I would buy it, knowing that the AF may never be fixed. Hopefully they will but there is a good chance they may not.
 
yoclay said:
I honestly believe that giving the camera AF and then "crippling" it out of a desire to participate in a "cartel" or pursue a marketing strategy is more X-Men than reality...
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cartel - Legal Definition

n. A group of independent producers or sellers in a particular industry, or a group of businesses with a common interest, who have joined together to reduce competition between themselves by allocating markets, sharing knowledge, or controlling the price and production of a product or service.

1) Allocating markets - Sony makes MFT sensors but not MFT cameras (they used to own a stake in Olympus but sold it recently after about a decade). The MFT Association is open to any entrance. Nikon and Olympus don't make camcorders and neither Fuji, Nikon or Olympus make a medium-to-high end video camera. Sony makes the Medium Format sensors but doesn't make medium format cameras. Digging further, Canon DSLR's have a crop while Sony R-series have an option of center crop as well as the pixel binning full scan. Sony, however, skips on the 10-bit codecs while Panasonic GH-series and Fuji have it.

I'd say, it's a pretty clear case that the markets are indeed allocated.

2) Sharing knowledge. That's a slam dunk. Panasonic, Fuji, Olympus and Nikon all buy Sony sensors.

3) Controlling the price. They do it by withholding the introduction of the new cameras and new features. Sony could have updated A7SII for the last four years. It was a top seller. It chose to sell its videocentric FF sensor to Panasonic, Nikon and Sigma, which left Sony shooters with no updated version. But they made a mostly unwanted A9MKII.

And when Samsung released NX1 in 2014, the Japanese hadn't matched its specs for years.

I'd say it's a fairly easy case.

4) Control of production. One goes back to Sony making sensors for the majority of the cartel members.

So, it's pretty much four out of four ... and you only need one to make the case for the cartel being quite real.

PS. It's also legal in Japan. It's illegal in the US and most of Europe, which necessitates a secret operation.

You're welcome to read more about the Japanese ways of conducting business. In the grand scheme, they mostly copy the old German way, which was a regional cartel driven before and during the 3rd Reich era.
 
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I don't own the camera, but I'd like to know more about the problems of autofocus. Actually the firmware is 3.01, Has Fuji solved the problem? Between the X-H1 (to be honest not sold with the image quality of X-H1) and X-T3 what is better? I'm also considering the Nikon Z6, is a valid alternative between X-H1 and X-T3? Thanks! :-)
 
To me the X-T3 have many great things going for it but as I compare it with my other still camera A7RIII image quality and auto focus for stills is far from the Sony. In the end I tweak both in LR so they end up looking good but there's something missing on the X-T3.
X-T3 is nicer to hold and I like the manual direct dials on the body and it feels solid but I feel lite love for it. Maybe I'm spoiled with A7RIII.
There's no doubt video can look very nice from the X-T3 but I rarely have a need to use it for video as is the case for my A7RIII.
 
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