First shoot with HVX?
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Barry_Green
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It is every bit as much 1080p as the cinealta is. It images a 1080p frame and then records that by segmenting it into fields. Nothing at all like frame mode.
stephenlnoe
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Barry_Green said:
I haven't seen that bit of info. Can you link me to the Panasonic info please?
Brian Petersen
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stephenlnoe said:
It's translated Japanese so it gets a bit wierd in some of the wording but go to:
http://world.altavista.com/babelfis...http://panasonic.biz/sav/p2/hvx200/index.html
It says pretty clearly in the chip section that it uses 1080/60p chips. This is a progressive chip camera for sure. You WILL be able to get 24p and 30p in 1080. It's confirmed.
Jim Arthurs
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Barry_Green said:
"I care not for the taste of bread crumbs, save that they come from bread."
We ALL would prefer motion clips, but Panasonic released a single still, so a year's worth of pent up interest was, perhaps unfairly, directed toward it.
Your plans and ideas for shooting demo footage makes perfect sense, I hope you're on base with the first of the units to hit shore!
Happy Thanksgiving to all in the States!
Regards,
Jim Arthurs
stephenlnoe
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Thanks for the link. I examined it. There seems (to me) to be a discrepancy. The table's image format's do not reflect a 1080p24 mode. Instead, it reflects a 1080i 30p and 24p mode (1080/24p over 60i) which coincides with the information I have. Barry is probably right that it is not a frame mode and has some other math but the information I have is that it is a 1080i/720p camera.Brian Petersen said:
I don't like to speculate and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. My understanding does agree with the table information listed on the link and not the verbs in the chip section of the link.
Has anyone tried another web translator on the same site?
wabbit
Evil has Ears
stephenlnoe said:
This has been addressed by Jan more then once...
http://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/new_read_post.cgi?forumid=193&postid=856033
Barry_Green
Moderator
Yeah, here's Jan's quote, and it really doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room, it's pretty straightforward:
"The camera starts with a progressive chip, a 1080/60P chip. In its 24P or 30P modes, or its variable frame modes, it will change to that time base for capture, but it starts as a progressive chip capture and then makes the conversion, cross conversion or down conversion from there. It is a true progressive chip set and will make progressive pictures, not marketing, but rather, engineering."
"The camera starts with a progressive chip, a 1080/60P chip. In its 24P or 30P modes, or its variable frame modes, it will change to that time base for capture, but it starts as a progressive chip capture and then makes the conversion, cross conversion or down conversion from there. It is a true progressive chip set and will make progressive pictures, not marketing, but rather, engineering."
For the record, since everyone (save for a few) seem to be having such a difficult time digesting this information:
HVX-200 = REAL PROGRESSIVE CCDs!!! They're not interlaced CCD's with some funky thing going on to acheive a pseudo progressive image. The CCD's in the HVX-200 are PROGRESSIVE. got it??? PROGRESSIVE CCD's. Really... Seriously... they're pure PROGRESSIVE CCD's.
As has been said a countless number of times by Jan, Barry, and a few other people. The imaging section of the HVX-200 IS 1080/60P!!! That's right, 1080/60P not "i" or anything else; it's 1080/60P. That 1080/60P data is sent into the DSP circuitry where it is then shot out in the numerous formats the HVX is capable of recording to media (1080/60I, 1080/24P, 1080/30P, 720 etc...)
HVX-200 = REAL PROGRESSIVE CCDs!!! They're not interlaced CCD's with some funky thing going on to acheive a pseudo progressive image. The CCD's in the HVX-200 are PROGRESSIVE. got it??? PROGRESSIVE CCD's. Really... Seriously... they're pure PROGRESSIVE CCD's.
As has been said a countless number of times by Jan, Barry, and a few other people. The imaging section of the HVX-200 IS 1080/60P!!! That's right, 1080/60P not "i" or anything else; it's 1080/60P. That 1080/60P data is sent into the DSP circuitry where it is then shot out in the numerous formats the HVX is capable of recording to media (1080/60I, 1080/24P, 1080/30P, 720 etc...)
Dmitry Kichenko
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Ok, I think it's been said pretty clearly before. You're just shuffling the words around .
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Dmitry Kichenko
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You know whose evening was definetely uneventful? Most of the Microsoft activation centre reps.
I have called them a number of times today to activate their crappy Windows and Office, and all of the reps said the exact same thing in the exact same monotonous voice. All of them had some sort of middle eastern background too. It sounded like they were enslaved and were given wages in pigeon eggs and smelly candles to keep themselves warm. It looks like the most corporate job in the world to work at Microsoft.
Hail Apple!
Anyway, hehe. The key got improved a little, but I think even if it wasn't improved too much, they certainly did hide the artifacts by going with a lower resolution image. I don't like outright cheating.
I have called them a number of times today to activate their crappy Windows and Office, and all of the reps said the exact same thing in the exact same monotonous voice. All of them had some sort of middle eastern background too. It sounded like they were enslaved and were given wages in pigeon eggs and smelly candles to keep themselves warm. It looks like the most corporate job in the world to work at Microsoft.
Hail Apple!
Anyway, hehe. The key got improved a little, but I think even if it wasn't improved too much, they certainly did hide the artifacts by going with a lower resolution image. I don't like outright cheating
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Dmitry Kichenko
Well-known member
No, office for mac doesn't require activation either. I don't think it even asks you for the serial number, actually.
As to Office, I'm not sure there's an unlimited number of times you can activate your copy of Office...There definetely isn't for Windows XP.
Also, today I've found out that Microsoft actually has its support in India. That explains the accents, and it sort of fits my slavery theory as those workers don't get paid a heck of a lot.
But anyway, this is greatly offtopic. I guess this will just one more time show those who have HVX200 on their hands that we're BORED WITHOUT SOME RAW FOOTAGE!! Come on, the music video can wait! Give us something to argue, drool over, sleep less, think about at work, have dreams about etc.
As to Office, I'm not sure there's an unlimited number of times you can activate your copy of Office...There definetely isn't for Windows XP.
Also, today I've found out that Microsoft actually has its support in India. That explains the accents, and it sort of fits my slavery theory as those workers don't get paid a heck of a lot.
But anyway, this is greatly offtopic
. I guess this will just one more time show those who have HVX200 on their hands that we're BORED WITHOUT SOME RAW FOOTAGE!! Come on, the music video can wait! Give us something to argue, drool over, sleep less, think about at work, have dreams about etc.harlan said:For the record, since everyone (save for a few) seem to be having such a difficult time digesting this information:
HVX-200 = REAL PROGRESSIVE CCDs!!! They're not interlaced CCD's with some funky thing going on to acheive a pseudo progressive image. The CCD's in the HVX-200 are PROGRESSIVE. got it??? PROGRESSIVE CCD's. Really... Seriously... they're pure PROGRESSIVE CCD's.
As has been said a countless number of times by Jan, Barry, and a few other people. The imaging section of the HVX-200 IS 1080/60P!!! That's right, 1080/60P not "i" or anything else; it's 1080/60P. That 1080/60P data is sent into the DSP circuitry where it is then shot out in the numerous formats the HVX is capable of recording to media (1080/60I, 1080/24P, 1080/30P, 720 etc...)
Hey Harlan,
You are talking about the NTSC version, right? Cause, I believe, the PAL is 1080/50p.
KnockOutFilms
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Office for Mac doesn't even require installation. I love that. You just drag the Office folder from the disc to your apps folder.
There a few mac apps like that.
There a few mac apps like that.
Ralph Oshiro
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Holy crap, that [updated frame grab] looks GREAT! What's everybody arguing about? I think a greenscreen frame grab is a GREAT example work product for this camera! It gets to show off its 4:2:2 prowness in a real-world, nitty-gritty application: greenscreen/compositing work! In fact, this is EXACTLY the type of application where the HVX200 will SHINE. This camera is perfect for acquiring assets for After Effects graphics designers and greenscreen/compositing stuff.
This frame grab (and rewatching my Sin City DVD) may have single-handedly put me BACK in the HVX200 camp! I just realized that, okay, so I WON'T have that great 2/3" shallow depth-of-field characteristic with a 1/3" camera like the HVX200. So, I'll just shoot EVERYTHING greenscreen and blur my background plates at will!
This frame grab (and rewatching my Sin City DVD) may have single-handedly put me BACK in the HVX200 camp! I just realized that, okay, so I WON'T have that great 2/3" shallow depth-of-field characteristic with a 1/3" camera like the HVX200. So, I'll just shoot EVERYTHING greenscreen and blur my background plates at will!
Ralph Oshiro
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Panasonic HVX200, HERE I COME!!!