shorelinedigital
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Why is there not a viewer type function within FCP? A way to select the clips, view, and re-name them before importing them seems like a no-brainer. Am I missing something?
Final Cut P2 Import feature
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HD Log does this at a price.
As to missing something, I don't know of any NLE that does this for p2 imports.
But I might be missing something.
Is there one?
As to missing something, I don't know of any NLE that does this for p2 imports.
But I might be missing something.
Is there one?
shorelinedigital
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David S. said:
With Panasonic working so closely with Apple I'd think it might be a possibility. Would be perfect to be able to view the mxf's, rename and import from there. To me HD log at that price is outrageous.
bbalser
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Panny has told me there won't be any "free P2 viewer" for Mac users. They will rely on us dishing out an extra $500 for that ability they give Windows users for FREE.
Don't ask me why, but Panny seems to want someone else (there's a hint that Apple is working on one built into FCP) to take care of Mac users.
I think it's just short of a slap in the face to Mac users.
Don't ask me why, but Panny seems to want someone else (there's a hint that Apple is working on one built into FCP) to take care of Mac users.
I think it's just short of a slap in the face to Mac users.
Dan Montgomery
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I think you guys are missing the point a bit, viewing is a minor part of media management. You need a way to not only see, select, edit metadata and output to the editor--but also a way to index and archive the 1000s of clips you'll be creating over the next few years.
Isn't being able to find all your clips, now and in the future, worth the price of one 4 GB card?
Isn't being able to find all your clips, now and in the future, worth the price of one 4 GB card?
shorelinedigital
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Dan Montgomery said:
Not really. I'm not interested in the media management aspect of it. I'm ;looking for the ability for quickly preview footage for import into a project with the ability to rename clips and card reel info.
When an application is available on the PC side for free, I'd rather have the ability to allocate funds to that extra 4GB card itself.
workaholic
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i agree. i thought the relationship between panasonic and apple was really good. the HD100a included firewire almost specifically for the mac and final cut pro. why leave the mac behind on p2? canon makes mac software for ALL their digital cameras. what's up with panasonic?
Dan Montgomery
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So what you're saying is, Apple should make a P2 specific editor. While they're at it, why don't you ask Panasonic to bundle that for free too? After all, why should anyone be compensated for their product development except the camera manufacturer?
Sorry, but if Panasonic had any influence over Apple they'd never let them drop the PCMCIA slots. duh.
Sorry, but if Panasonic had any influence over Apple they'd never let them drop the PCMCIA slots. duh.
shorelinedigital
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Dan Montgomery said:
Spunky, huh? What comes to mind is Flip4Mac from Telestream (now Microsoft). I'd gladly pay a fee to get the abilities I stated that I want above. Be it a stand-alone application or an add-in or plug-in. For what you get I sincerely think the price of HDLog is rediculous. I've been using Final Cut in the SD world since version 2. With everything from DV to component analog BetaSP. So I'm very familiar with paying for equipment. It basically costs half of what you can get final cut for and does it do half as much? I don't see it.
bbalser
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Flip4Mac is NOT "now Microsoft". MS only links a download for their player.
Point is, Panasonic gave a free app that is super needed to Windows users and left Mac users out in the cold.
I have heard a rumor that Apple is working on a P2 Viewer type function for FCP. It's only a rumor! It may well be totally false!
But fact remains that Panny gave Windows users a free app and expects us Mac users to cough up an extra $500 for the same thing. Very disappointing.
Point is, Panasonic gave a free app that is super needed to Windows users and left Mac users out in the cold.
I have heard a rumor that Apple is working on a P2 Viewer type function for FCP. It's only a rumor! It may well be totally false!
But fact remains that Panny gave Windows users a free app and expects us Mac users to cough up an extra $500 for the same thing. Very disappointing.
shorelinedigital
Active member
BenB said:
My bad....they're now a licenced developer for MS.
And I'm not looking for something for free, just reasonable.
HD Log Bronze for $300 will view P2 files, which is essentially what a Mac Panasonic P2 viewer would do, since FCP doesn't read the metadata that the PC viewer writes.
HD Log Silver for $500 will view and send selected/marked P2 files to FCP through XML (if you mark clips on the camera, then they will automatically be marked in HD Log). This is basically equivalent to the Flip4Mac XDCAM import component that sells for $500.
HD Log Gold for $700 will view clips, send to FCP, subclip (so you don't have to output an entire clip if you don't want it all), edit metadata before you send to FCP and map that metadata to specified FCP fields. Since metadata is editable, you can perform functions such as auto fill or find/replace on fields, such as a project field that will be the same for each clip, or a user clip name field that might need to auto increment as Clip 1, Clip 2, Clip 3, etc.
Also, each of these versions have story board/report/table printing (to paper or PDF) and HTML output so that you can collaborate with others. Spell checking in Silver+, and tape based logging/capturing features if you haven't converted fully to a file based workflow. Plus if you need organization capabilities some day, then we've got some of that now and more in the pipeline for P2. Finally, we're going to offer you a level of support that you probably aren't going to get with a free viewer. You're reading a post from the guy who programmed HD Log, and so I'll be here to help should something not work as expected and to take your comments/suggestions if you have them.
I've been a Mac user for a while now, and so I know how it feels to be left behind a lot, but we're working on it. Hope this helps to explain where we are coming from on pricing.
Best Regards,
Gary
HD Log Silver for $500 will view and send selected/marked P2 files to FCP through XML (if you mark clips on the camera, then they will automatically be marked in HD Log). This is basically equivalent to the Flip4Mac XDCAM import component that sells for $500.
HD Log Gold for $700 will view clips, send to FCP, subclip (so you don't have to output an entire clip if you don't want it all), edit metadata before you send to FCP and map that metadata to specified FCP fields. Since metadata is editable, you can perform functions such as auto fill or find/replace on fields, such as a project field that will be the same for each clip, or a user clip name field that might need to auto increment as Clip 1, Clip 2, Clip 3, etc.
Also, each of these versions have story board/report/table printing (to paper or PDF) and HTML output so that you can collaborate with others. Spell checking in Silver+, and tape based logging/capturing features if you haven't converted fully to a file based workflow. Plus if you need organization capabilities some day, then we've got some of that now and more in the pipeline for P2. Finally, we're going to offer you a level of support that you probably aren't going to get with a free viewer. You're reading a post from the guy who programmed HD Log, and so I'll be here to help should something not work as expected and to take your comments/suggestions if you have them.
I've been a Mac user for a while now, and so I know how it feels to be left behind a lot, but we're working on it. Hope this helps to explain where we are coming from on pricing.
Best Regards,
Gary
Logging and DB Applications
Logging and DB Applications
HD Log and Apple
First, regarding HD Log: I agree that the price is too steep. However, it is the dream application for HDV users. In short, it does everything. Import a folder of P2 clips, and instantly you can scrub through each clip, set in and out points, import only those sub-clips, add your own fields for metadata, save frame grabs. The list goes on and on.
Apple makes no secret of the fact that the company is developing P2 tools for Final Cut Pro. Company representatives openly invite feature requests at P2 workshops for video professionals -- workshops that are co-conducted by Apple and Panasonic.
At NAB 2006, the Final Cut product managers told us they had a list of hundreds of feature requests -- too many to incorporate even in the next dozen iterations of their product. However, at the top of their list was anything and everything having to do with HD, and that included the Panasonic cameras. They were happy to spend 30 minutes with our lowly team, listening to our experiences with the P2 card.
That's not to say that we'll see the next version next week. Just that they are well aware and working on it.
Finally, at least two other sofware developers will release P2 logging and database applications this summer. For example, the publishers of iDive acquired a DVX-200 in-house to aid in development of iDive Pro, which will be half the price of HD Log.
If you can wait a month or so, I'm sure you will see HD Log's price drop considerably, as this competition arrives.
Logging and DB Applications
HD Log and Apple
First, regarding HD Log: I agree that the price is too steep. However, it is the dream application for HDV users. In short, it does everything. Import a folder of P2 clips, and instantly you can scrub through each clip, set in and out points, import only those sub-clips, add your own fields for metadata, save frame grabs. The list goes on and on.
Apple makes no secret of the fact that the company is developing P2 tools for Final Cut Pro. Company representatives openly invite feature requests at P2 workshops for video professionals -- workshops that are co-conducted by Apple and Panasonic.
At NAB 2006, the Final Cut product managers told us they had a list of hundreds of feature requests -- too many to incorporate even in the next dozen iterations of their product. However, at the top of their list was anything and everything having to do with HD, and that included the Panasonic cameras. They were happy to spend 30 minutes with our lowly team, listening to our experiences with the P2 card.
That's not to say that we'll see the next version next week. Just that they are well aware and working on it.
Finally, at least two other sofware developers will release P2 logging and database applications this summer. For example, the publishers of iDive acquired a DVX-200 in-house to aid in development of iDive Pro, which will be half the price of HD Log.
If you can wait a month or so, I'm sure you will see HD Log's price drop considerably, as this competition arrives.
bbalser
Veteran
hatchmo, let's hope so...
I still feel Panasonic left us Mac users out in the cold, period. And this is odd, as the overwhelming majority of Focus's FS-100 sales have been to Mac users. Does that mean most of the HVX200 cameras are going out to Mac users? And Panny wants to leave us out in the cold, like we don't matter?
I still feel Panasonic left us Mac users out in the cold, period. And this is odd, as the overwhelming majority of Focus's FS-100 sales have been to Mac users. Does that mean most of the HVX200 cameras are going out to Mac users? And Panny wants to leave us out in the cold, like we don't matter?