FF VG900 hands-on !

imdjay said:
ok, chalk that one too, i assumed the vg30 had 60p but looks like a no.

they might just have been clever enough to make enough little details differences to make people opt for the 900.

so, so far the differences are

larger sensor
a few more direct control buttons,
60P

a big thing would be for either of them to have at least the same profile controls as the a99/nex cams. just basic color, sat, cont, sharp.

that would seal it up for me. would sell off the ex1 and 5d and be a happy dude whenever i have a corporate or event client to cover
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I think the VG30 can do 60p, even the nex 5n have it.
You can give a look at the Nex EA50 is a more professional camera than the VG30, share the same sensor but a totally different form factor.
 
also, the vg900 looks to have the same sensor as the d600, which is quite a good low light performer, better than the 5d3 by many accounts.
 
imdjay said:
also, the vg900 looks to have the same sensor as the d600, which is quite a good low light performer, better than the 5d3 by many accounts.
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And also doesn't have a SLT mirror in it's light path like the A99 SLT mirror that causes a 1/3-stop loss of light. (Some light has to go to the viewfinder.)
 
evilthought said:
Wrong. No light goes to viewfinder on A99. It goes to AF sensor.
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Ok, light goes to the AF sensor but there is still the SLT mirror in the light path with at least a 1/3 stop light loss in the A99 and the VG900 has no mirror in the light path and no light loss.
 
I think with the greater number of features and more image control the A99 at $500 less is a better buy for essentially the same video. IMHO you only lose the wider range of lens adaptability with the E-mount, but you gain IBIS, better photo capabilities and the custom picture profiles. Unless you're married to the cheap camcorder body on the VG series, I'd rig a A99 and go from there.
 
noirist said:
And you're happy with that?
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I would rather have a 24mp FF sensor than a 2mp FF sensor without moire since I also plan to shoot 24mp Raw stills with my Pentax lenses. Like I said before if I want to shoot 1080p60 video without moire I use my TM700 or my GH2 in 1080p24/30 2.6x /720p60 3.9x sensor crop mode.
 
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Since you have the video angle covered with your TM700 and GH2, then why not get a full frame DSLR for stills? Depending on your photographic needs (eg., action/landscape/price), a D4/D800/D600 or even an A99 will outperform the VG900 by a significant margin for stills.

On my side, I have a D4 for stills and a TM700 and GH13 for video and am looking to upgrade on the video. Like a full frame sensor that resolves 1080p with the high ISO performance of the D4. So I'm disappointed that the VG900 doesn't appear to offer an improvement over any of those three cameras in any respect. The TM700 and GH13 have it beat for low ISO video, the D4 has it beat for high ISO video, and the D4 has it beat for stills.
joe1946 said:
I would rather have a 24mp FF sensor than a 2mp FF sensor without moire since I also plan to shoot 24mp Raw stills with my Pentax lenses. Like I said before if I want to shoot 1080p60 video without moire I use my TM700 or my GH2 in 1080p24/30 2.6x /720p60 3.9x sensor crop mode.
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noirist said:
Since you have the video angle covered with your TM700 and GH2, then why not get a full frame DSLR for stills? Depending on your photographic needs (eg., action/landscape/price), a D4/D800/D600 or even an A99 will outperform the VG900 by a significant margin for stills.

On my side, I have a D4 for stills and a TM700 and GH13 for video and am looking to upgrade on the video. Like a full frame sensor that resolves 1080p with the high ISO performance of the D4. So I'm disappointed that the VG900 doesn't appear to offer an improvement over any of those three cameras in any respect. The TM700 and GH13 have it beat for low ISO video, the D4 has it beat for high ISO video, and the D4 has it beat for stills.
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The FF DSLRs are showstoppers for me since I need a mirrorless FF camera for my K-mount lenses and I want the best EVF for video use. The VG900 is the only FF mirrorless camera coming out and has the advantage of an angled OLED EVF over the A99 and no mirror in the light path that has a light loss of at least 1/3 stop. I also prefer a camcorder form factor since I shoot more video than stills.
 
Interesting comparison of full frame with cheap lenses and APS-C with premium lenses :

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+4]The Full-Frame
Advantage

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+2]You Can Use Cheap Lenses! [/SIZE] [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I get better results on full-frame with crummy lenses than I do with my very best lenses on DX. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Having bigger pixels on a larger format means you can use cheaper lenses and usually get better results than the best lenses on a smaller format. The only reason I use the weasel word of "usually" is because as of 2007 we're only talking about a 1.6x linear format difference among consumer (under $9,000) DSLRs. In film, with a 2x linear difference from one format to the next, the crappiest lens on the next bigger format always smokes the very best lens on the next smaller format.[/FONT]
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http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/full-frame-advantage.htm
 
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