Fcp 7!!!

SPZ said:
Funny thing is it does have native AVCINTRA, which is a much more intensive form of AVC compression...
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Well, I've been totally underwehlmed with the 'native' AVCHD support in CS4 Premiere... as in, unless one has a wonder machine... one may as well transcode to AIC and go from there...

AVC-Intra, while allowing for higher bit rate encoding, is actually less CPU intensive because of that 'less' compression, hence more likely to play on lower end machines... odd that... isn't it...

Fortunately my budget has been such, I'll be waiting for the next generation of the HMC 150 to see if they 1) do a better job at higher bitrates, 2) the tools will have caught up with the AVCHD to do a better playback while editing...

As a note, I think AVCHD is classed as a 'consumer' codec, and so, probably will not be in the 'pro' tools support set.. but probably FC Express may come out with some form of 'native' support... pure speculation on my part of course...
 
Word on the street says that this is the first of a 2 parter. This FCP is 32bit and there isn't a lot of "native" support like we all wanted. And the price drop is a clue (1,299 to 999 and 499 to 299) this may mean that there will be a separate upgrade (my guess for $199) that may include 64bit and some nifty "native" stuff. Maybe even the upgrades to DVDSP who knows?

Note: I have nothing that I am basing this on. I have no source but what others have said and what I have deduced from the situation myself. Apple has never strayed away from its prices and I feel that this price drop may mean that there is something coming in September with Snow Leopard.
 
The price difference might simply be a strategy to ship more copies right now and stay competitive with Adobe this season. You can see Apple adopting a similar strategy with Logic Studio which dropped in price to $500 (it used to cost $1,000+ for Logic Pro alone) back when it was announced in 2007.

I expect Apple to release another update shortly after Snow Leopard is released next year.
 
Filmbuff28 said:
Word on the street says that this is the first of a 2 parter. This FCP is 32bit and there isn't a lot of "native" support like we all wanted. And the price drop is a clue (1,299 to 999 and 499 to 299) this may mean that there will be a separate upgrade (my guess for $199) that may include 64bit and some nifty "native" stuff. Maybe even the upgrades to DVDSP who knows?

Note: I have nothing that I am basing this on. I have no source but what others have said and what I have deduced from the situation myself. Apple has never strayed away from its prices and I feel that this price drop may mean that there is something coming in September with Snow Leopard.
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I have been thinking exactly the same thing... when they roll out Snow Leopard they gotta have something to go with it.
 
is anyone besides me completely turned off by the fact that there is still no native p2/DVCPRO HD?

Was I the only one expecting this? Did I miss something?
 
Only Intel processors...

Only Intel processors...

Sadly, I see that PowerPC support is dropped with this version. Sad, because I just got hold of an Dual G5. Well, I guess it was time for that to happen. :bath:
 
Every update announced in this package is really a GREAT update and a great feature. Love all of them - particularly the new speed controls in FCP7.

That said, this is a very underwhelming update after 2 years and simply not deserving of whole new version numbers. This is really FCS 2.5 and FCP 6.5... I mean, color coded markers and the improvements with that should have been one item on a bullet point list of minor upgrades, not a "major new feature!"... ESPECIALLY after FCP 6.0's upgrade being less than earth shattering (open format timeline and a half-baked log & transfer were all that were really added last year). I don't think it's fair to count anything with ProRes as a feature of a new editing program... that is a new CODEC, which is great to include it, but it hasn't much to do with the editor itself.

- Unless they haven't announced it, or plan on releasing a free patch because they are still working, where in the world is expected-to-be-touted features of full Cocoa-from-the-ground up, 64-bit, OpenCL, grand central station enabled, etc. programming to take advantage of Snow Leopard??
- Good for AVC-Intra native support, but No native P2/DVCPRO HD support?
- No optical flow implemented into the new speed controls in FCP?
- No merging of Shake's compositing tools into Motion? You added parenting and shadows reflections and you mean to say this is a whole generational update? That sounds like motion 3.1 to me... even 3.5 is slightly generous.
- Color... umm.... after TWO YEARS all they did is fix the round tripping issues and some other issues that probably should have been fixed in a free patch? Where in the world is the updated interface and plethora of other improvements?
- DVDSP remains untouched? This ought to be at version 5 now, this app needs a lot of work. Including Blu-Ray support... the Blu Ray support in the other apps is nice but it's ultra-simplified with the same amount of control with templates as something like Roxio Toast 9. This is a pro-app, people.... come on.
- Interface updates to FCP7? Hello?
- Where is background rendering in FCP7? No, I am not talking about background exporting... that is great, it really is!! But it's only half way. What about background, in-sequence rendering of effects/transitions/magic bullet filters/etc.? These should have also been moved to process in the background, just like smoothcam does.

I could go on and on... suffice to say... all the updates are good, but they are underwhelming after 2 years. I feel this could have been released 9 months after FCS2.


Here's hoping there's more under the hood here than has been revealed (OpenCL, 64-bit Cocoa, etc.)

The reason they dropped the price, IMO, is that this isn't a big enough update to warrant still charging $500 upgrade or $1300 new... I think they dropped it to offset negative reaction, ie, you can always throw back "well despite the lack of more new features, the package has been significantly discounted."

Look, I'm not saying that's bad or wrong - just, surprising. Expected a lot more from this update.
 
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filmguy123 is 100% right. Key point is: what was the holdup? Nothing in this package is such that it couldn't have been released a year ago. They may as well have waited for Snow Leopard and given us some real advances based on 64 bit processing and taking advantage of multi-core etc. This update is BS. If anything, it makes me pessimistic, because now I feel like they won't give us anything new with SL - otherwise why release this only 2 months before SL drops?
 
i think prores 4444 is an amazing addition, i don't know why people are complaining.

fixing things and making the software more stable should be a priority to adding features, i would rather have a stable software than a heavy unstable mess of new features.

i would like a gpu performance boost when snow leopard and the new quicktime arrives, both in performance using fcp and encoding files as well.
 
I was also thinking we may see another release in the near future for Snow Leopard. Remember the update they did for FCS1 when they switched to Intel processors... the upgrade program to get the Universal version. Apple may do something similar and offer an upgrade to the Leopard 64-bit Grand Central version. And that may account for the difference in the upgrade and full prices. We may not see it right away though, but sooner than the typical timeline. It's a lot of work to rewrite an application from the ground up.

As far as Blu-ray support? I'm not surprised it's still limited/non-existent. I wouldn't expect authoring in DVDSP until they actually offer Blu-ray burners with the Mac Pro. Again, this could be with or after Snow Leopard.

Still, regardless of all that, I still think this is a worthy upgrade even if it's not everything I'd hoped for. We finally get 4K output in Color which is incredible at this price point. We finally get an easy method to create an end credit roll. Some interface enhancements such as with the markers and the new speed controls are very welcomed. Some new keyboard commands and control interface support in Color. And new ProRes codec versions! iChat Theater support built in! The Voice Level Match feature in Soundtrack Pro is going to save a lot of time. Great!

And lets not forget they're claiming improved/optimized performance in FCP, SP, Motion, and Color as well.
 
multitouch gestures. woohoo!!!

prores proxies and 4k native RED support in color means a REAL -in the box- RED workflow. Yay!!!!

those two things did it for me.
 
OldCorpse said:
filmguy123 is 100% right. Key point is: what was the holdup? Nothing in this package is such that it couldn't have been released a year ago. They may as well have waited for Snow Leopard and given us some real advances based on 64 bit processing and taking advantage of multi-core etc. This update is BS. If anything, it makes me pessimistic, because now I feel like they won't give us anything new with SL - otherwise why release this only 2 months before SL drops?
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Well, they needed time to make those 2 fancy videos showing francis coppola saying how much better this one is :):beer::beer:
 
Underwhelmed...at least until they put in some native P2 functionality. Which, at this point, I'm guessing will never happen. Ugh.
 
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