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Otis Grapsas
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I remember checking out the site of someone who commented on my work and I found out he also called himself a videographer. His work showed a lot of skill, he could easily cover a feature film with excellent results. Very good eyes and very high easthetics. I'm glad this type is still around, the working professional who would call himself a director of photographer or a cinematographers only after actually finishing a feature.
A cinematographer can use a dSLR or an old DV camera. The cost of the equipment is irrelevant.
Michael Olsen
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Videographer, DP, Cinematographer, Motion Picture Artist - so long as you are doing what you love, its all the same to me!
We could add Video Philosopher to the list. Those who spend their time debating the intrinsic merits of one camera system over another with or without experience. 
Michael Olsen
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We could add Video Philosopher to the list. Those who spend their time debating the intrinsic merits of one camera system over another with or without experience.
Hmm...can't think of anyone to file under that category, Isaac. :beer:
Otis Grapsas
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We could add Video Philosopher to the list. Those who spend their time debating the intrinsic merits of one camera system over another with or without experience.
Not a philosopher. Philosophers are not interested in specific knowledge. That would be a video connoiseur. Do you have any friends into hi-end audio? A cartridge for a vinyl deck is just a commodity for many people but a hi-end connoiseur will describe the differences in the most interesting ways and can always tell which one he/she is listening to in a blind test. The same applies to a bottle of wine. Connoisers are the best thing that can happen to a market. They advance the art and help others make better decisions.
robotsound
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From my experience, every audiophile will have a lot of flowery language to describe sound (warmth, imaging, soundstage, and so on), but there is also a lot of pseudoscience floating around there too. On the extreme end you have people paying $900 for a "premium" power cord and other such nonsense. In one double blind test, audiophiles were unable to pick out the difference between Monster cables and coat hangers used as speaker wire.
Personally, I've always been more interested in the opinion of working professionals in recording studios and mastering studios, as they are the ones actually creating the content. People who consume but do not create content end up getting some funny ideas in their heads sometimes.
Music lovers listen to music. Audiophiles listen to stereo systems. I think there's a parallel to some elements of the camera forums in there somewhere
Otis Grapsas
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From my experience, every audiophile will have a lot of flowery language... ...there's a parallel to some elements of the camera forums in there somewhere
Very small differences in the response of a component change the output a lot. A few years ago I wrote a filter to equalise a pair of dynaudio BM15A. Then I listened to the filter in on and off stage and wrote about what I actually heard. I filled a few pages with text. I realised that many of the lengthy descriptions about the qualities of a system are actually there, measurable, quantifiable and predictable. I decided to listen more carefully and take the "flowery" descriptions a lot more seriously. The perception of some of the reviewers is massively superior to that of the average guy.
Mastering engineers have good ears and worry about the little details, but I wouldn't expand that to the video profession. 95% of video professionals are using equipment of very low quality because they have to. They are not getting paid very well, so it's about what gets the job done, the aesthetics of the image are not even important sometimes, and high quality is simply beyond reach. Quantity does not equal quality and the majority is never right. A drunk does not drink Lagavulin, he just cares about what he can get with his $10 bill and for most people wine comes in red and white and Syrah must be somewhere in asia.
I would have no problem with fat copper coat hangers soldered to the terminals
Michael Olsen
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Isn't it just past the exit for Shangri-La?
In all serious, I enjoy the technical and theoretical side of things. I know I can certainly come off as a RED fanboy, but I am really just a fan of the technology. If Panasonic, ARRI, or...well, my next door neighbor were doing the same things, I'd be just as excited about it. Honestly, the prospect of Foveon sensors, of super-high-speed cameras like the Phantom, of medium format digital cinema cameras, of cameras like Drama - all of these things I see as really awesome and really interesting to talk about. I think the fact that Panasonic is developing the AF-100 - regardless of whether or not it was influenced by RED, or if RED has changed the market or whatever - is really exciting. It is a sign of things to come. Whether or not I buy one, I'd still like to know all about it - the perfections and the faults. I see RED really pushing envelopes, and so it particularly interests me, just as does the Canon 4K concept camera and their 120MP imager. Fascinating technology abounds!
From my experience, every audiophile will have a lot of flowery language to describe sound (warmth, imaging, soundstage, and so on), but there is also a lot of pseudoscience floating around there too. On the extreme end you have people paying $900 for a "premium" power cord and other such nonsense. In one double blind test, audiophiles were unable to pick out the difference between Monster cables and coat hangers used as speaker wire.
Personally, I've always been more interested in the opinion of working professionals in recording studios and mastering studios, as they are the ones actually creating the content. People who consume but do not create content end up getting some funny ideas in their heads sometimes.
Music lovers listen to music. Audiophiles listen to stereo systems. I think there's a parallel to some elements of the camera forums in there somewhere
He He, I once replaced a bunch of Monster RCA interconnects in a custom home with 9 cents a foot twisted pair shielded pro audio installation cable. Wired in quasi-balanced configuration the install cable gave 6dB better THD+noise performance on a 3 foot cable over the Monster coax sets. That is a lot of measurable difference and definitely audible too.
It is amazing the difference small changes can make in a system, but it doesn't always correlate with price and market hype. Sound engineering practice helps.
Zissou
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monster cables are all marketing anyways. only fools buy the most expensive cables because they 'must' be better. that said, monster cables sell pretty well.
philiplipetz
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Monster cables are sold to stores for a few buck and they sell it to you with five to ten times markup. Junk.
Now my extruded solid silver cables were amazing, but only when the rest of the system was tuned, and I was in the proper spot, with my head at the proper angle, with the system warmed up, in a room with proper acoustics preferably in a custom designed room or failing that a room with acoustic treatment, with one of the very few recordings enginnerred well enough to show off my system, with proper power conditioners, and was audible only if I had not attended a live music show in the past month or listened to loud music or wore headphones. So there is really is a difference and all you have to do is give up your freedom and music enjoyment and then you can hear it.
Sort of like blowing up a good movie and going frame by frame to find the mud, or codec breakup.
brian hanson
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Barry_Green
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Yep, that's pretty official. Here's the quote from the press statement:
Michael Olsen
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Indeed. I think this is probably the "slight delay" caused by the HDRx addition. And I hope that isn't a typo. :beer:
Matt Gottshalk
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Well, Im glad I can wait until Mid-2011 to "man-up". :nads:
Barry_Green
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Jack and I will have a film done on the AF100 and in theaters by mid-2011. And it'll make so much money that I'll be able to afford to "man up" and buy ... an Alexa. 
Rick Burnett
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Glad I pre-ordered the AF100. I'm thinking Scarlet S35 in early 3015
ZazaCast
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Jack and I will have a film done on the AF100 and in theaters by mid-2011. And it'll make so much money that I'll be able to afford to "man up" and buy ... an Alexa.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
You know what they say, talk is cheap.
You can rip on the competition as being not professional, but what's more professional, showing up on set with a prosumer camera or showing up on set and telling everyone to come back in nine months when the camera is ready? Man up indeed.
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You can rip on the competition as being not professional, but what's more professional, showing up on set with a prosumer camera or showing up on set and telling everyone to come back in nine months when the camera is ready? Man up indeed.
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