Epic and Scarlet release in 2010

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I really wish he'd stop saying things like that. I'm one of the many waiting for scarlet, but c'mon, why do they continue to put timelines on things they can't be sure of? Time and time again an unforeseen problem has reared it's head causing the RED team to fall on their face and give people reasons to bash. Why doesn't Jim just say, "We're making progress and our goal is to have it out by the end of the year. Assuming we don't run into any more problems, that goal as of now seems feasible."?

Sounds like that statement right there would allow them to cover their arse's, should shut up the fanboys for awhile, and better yet, it's the truth.
 
thread title is a bit misleading... acts as though this was stated concretely, which, unless i am mistaken, it certainly wasn't.
 
He said Scarlet S35 will be released after they satisfy initial orders for Epic. In any case Red is gearing up to deliver much higher quantities of these cameras much faster than was the case with R1, so the wait should be short.
Jarred mentioned some time ago that they were planning for production of as many as 7000 cameras a month, not much less than the number of Red ones produced in three years.
I don't expect S35 Scarlet before Q1/Q2 next year either, but the 2/3" Scarlet should be a different story.
 
I would just LOOOOOVE for them to get to my RedOne in for a MX upgrade. Losing business on the rental end... thus until then I don't care if Jim establishes a Red factory on the moon. At this rate I'll get my upgrade and Epic will be out!
 
Since my early times @ University I could figure out we only have two choices:

1) inference/infer: to draw a reasonable conclusion from the information presented;

or

2) take for granted the information from the source.


When someone says:


«I'm done giving estimates. I am now giving reports of where we are.

Jim»

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=623355&postcount=235


Q: «Current RED One owner and submitted for stage 2!

Just broke ground on our new facility doing live/studio and really hoping to utilize as many as 12 Epics. I know to ask for release dates are unrealistic. However, being on a deadline with our facility slated to be finished around Feb/Mar of next year is it realistic for us to plan on getting that many Epics?»

A: «No problem.

Jim»

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=623289&postcount=171


If I give the due credit to the source, to me it is enough.
 
Razz16mm said:
He said Scarlet S35 will be released after they satisfy initial orders for Epic. In any case Red is gearing up to deliver much higher quantities of these cameras much faster than was the case with R1, so the wait should be short.
Jarred mentioned some time ago that they were planning for production of as many as 7000 cameras a month, not much less than the number of Red ones produced in three years.
I don't expect S35 Scarlet before Q1/Q2 next year either, but the 2/3" Scarlet should be a different story.
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7000 a month? Why? The market for professional video can't support 7k units per month. If this was a consumer product, maybe....
 
Jason Ramsey said:
thread title is a bit misleading... acts as though this was stated concretely, which, unless i am mistaken, it certainly wasn't.
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Q: «I know it would just be counterproductive to set a date, but if things go as planned will scarlet be out before the years end?»

A: «Yes.

Jim»

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=623194&postcount=81


Q: «So do you think that the Scarlett will be available by the end of the year?»

A: «Yes.

Jim»

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=623163&postcount=54


Q: «(...)

3) How has the design of the RED Scarlet been affected by the process of designing and making EPIC?
4) Learned any lessons while making EPIC that will make the development process of Scarlet a bit faster?»

A: «(...)

3. It has been affected... delay one one delayed the other. See post #1.
4. They are really going in parallel.»

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=623161&postcount=52


Conclusion: as written in another forum where the discussion is open, on poles you will always often find two distinct levels of reactions... those who call it viral marketing and the believers. LOL :-)
 
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"if things go as planned" being the key words in the quote. Things have obviously not gone "as planned" for Scarlet. I think they need to get it out this year but it's probably not going to happen.
 
Jason Ramsey said:
LuckyStudio 13 said:
There is no way the Scarlet s35 will be released this year.
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no one said it would be :) well, no one official anyways...
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Razz16mm said:
He said Scarlet S35 will be released after they satisfy initial orders for Epic. In any case Red is gearing up to deliver much higher quantities of these cameras much faster than was the case with R1, so the wait should be short.
Jarred mentioned some time ago that they were planning for production of as many as 7000 cameras a month, not much less than the number of Red ones produced in three years.
I don't expect S35 Scarlet before Q1/Q2 next year either, but the 2/3" Scarlet should be a different story.
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«Scarlet S35 is a reality as soon as we catch up on EPIC production.

FF35 is next year.

Jim»

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=623386&postcount=263


«(...)

Scarlet S35 comes after EPIC. FF35 comes when the Monstro sensor program is done... next year.

Jim»

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=623348&postcount=228
 
Emmanuel... My only point is... this is the wild and crazy internet... where rumors become "fact", etc...

We had for several months people claiming that RED had cancelled the FF35 Scarlet, when RED had never said any such thing. It all started from one speculation thread that a member started over there saying he thought it was cancelled... from there it became spread aroudn the internet as though it were some sort of official announcement and people were going around saying that ff35 had been cancelled as though it were a set-in-stone statement of fact... Was confirmed last night that this is not the case.

In the world of overly-emotional camera owners, who seem to be more committed to promoting the success of one brand and encouraging the death of another than the actual camera makers at times, I was merely pointing out how the thread title is very likely to be misrepresented and taken as though RED has made some official "We will release epic and scarlet by end of year", when they haven't, and have also made pretty clear that the release of the cameras is dependent on any number of variables that cannot be seen through yet.

So, answering a question "If things go as planned, will scarlet be here by years end" with "yes", meaning (yes, if things go as planned) doesn't seem indicative of an iron-clad sounding "EPIC and Scarlet release in 2010".

Anyways... wasn't trying to attack you or anything... just pointing out that i cringe at titles like that when people seem to thrive on misinformation and speculation these days, and the spread of talking points. Doesn't seem healthy to promote.

EDIT: "Scarlet S35 is a reality as soon as we catch up on EPIC production" also does not come anywhere close to "S35 due out by end of year" :) we really shouldn't try to conclude anything more from the statements than what was actually said.

Also, the whole q/a thing was pretty clearly not intended for date projections on the DSMC cams, but for other information as to how the program is moving along, features, etc. for those who were interested.
 
While Jim DID answer "yes" to the questions dealing with the possibility of S35 Scarlet and Epic being released this year, he went out of his way to say he wasn't making any predictions as to when they are being released. Fixing the bug is a good thing and gets things moving forward again. He stated that Epic will be built in the U.S. but he doesn't know about Scarlet,yet, implying they still have no firm production partner for it.

It's definitely nice to see them talking about an S35 Scarlet rather than a 2/3 Scarlet.
 
Jason Ramsey said:
Emmanuel... My only point is... this is the wild and crazy internet... where rumors become "fact", etc...

We had for several months people claiming that RED had cancelled the FF35 Scarlet, when RED had never said any such thing. It all started from one speculation thread that a member started over there saying he thought it was cancelled... from there it became spread aroudn the internet as though it were some sort of official announcement and people were going around saying that ff35 had been cancelled as though it were a set-in-stone statement of fact... Was confirmed last night that this is not the case.

In the world of overly-emotional camera owners, who seem to be more committed to promoting the success of one brand and encouraging the death of another than the actual camera makers at times, I was merely pointing out how the thread title is very likely to be misrepresented and taken as though RED has made some official "We will release epic and scarlet by end of year", when they haven't, and have also made pretty clear that the release of the cameras is dependent on any number of variables that cannot be seen through yet.

So, answering a question "If things go as planned, will scarlet be here by years end" with "yes", meaning (yes, if things go as planned) doesn't seem indicative of an iron-clad sounding "EPIC and Scarlet release in 2010".

Anyways... wasn't trying to attack you or anything... just pointing out that i cringe at titles like that when people seem to thrive on misinformation and speculation these days, and the spread of talking points. Doesn't seem healthy to promote.

EDIT: "Scarlet S35 is a reality as soon as we catch up on EPIC production" also does not come anywhere close to "S35 due out by end of year" :) we really shouldn't try to conclude anything more from the statements than what was actually said.

Also, the whole q/a thing was pretty clearly not intended for date projections on the DSMC cams, but for other information as to how the program is moving along, features, etc. for those who were interested.
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Jason, I understand and agree with you, no worries there. You see, "I" (not anyone else) wrote "Scarlet in 2010" and the people suddenly became to talk about the S35 model. LOL

I can understand this is the Scarlet model that will be "the camera" even more than the Epic S35 at least until the (Scarlet) FF35 model launch.

That rumor around the "FF35" cancellation is not even healthy or fair either. Even though, I think this has happened 'cause as Blaine wisely said: «It's definitely nice to see them talking about an S35 Scarlet rather than a 2/3 Scarlet» -- if it happened with the FF35... go figure what could happen with the S35 model if the things would run as they have run with the rumors and fair concern about and around Jim's health and so on.

To me, Scarlet/Epic in 2010 is the way I read the most recent news coming from an elder Jim. I believe on his best intentions.

Do not forget, there are more than a Scarlet and Epic models. Epic has even more than a purchase stage(s) plan, so it will be out during the current year. Jim, I and many others believe Scarlet 2/3" model too.

It is necessary to spread it out. I speak about hope, not what I've read a little bit everywhere. RED is not vaporware. It speaks who knows it very very well.

Cheers,
E. :-)
 
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