John Caballero
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(Except Sir Bloom. He's a god)
LOL! That is funny. He seems like a very nice person and his expertise is rock solid. Love Sir Bloom!
GH3 EOSHD reviews the pre-production firmware GH3
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LOL! That is funny. He seems like a very nice person and his expertise is rock solid. Love Sir Bloom!
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
Its also worth remembering that PB shot with HMI, Ocon, unkown post, and a bunch of stuff that may not represent what the cam will do in the hands of those with less resources
No one has the answers to questions 2 and 3 yet.
terra1
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exactly the point i was trying to highlight
i was more interested in how the GH2 was received when it was released? was there the same amount of negative chat the GH3 seems to be getting.
i fully understand everyone has different needs and different expectations regarding the GH3. personally i'm looking forward to getting back to a panny!
The unhacked gh2 on launch was panned for it's muddy image as well. The bad news , for us looking to pickup a cheap gh2, is that this will probably mean it won't get as cheap as the gh1 did on the gh2's launch. As for the aliasing on the 3, don't expect for a hack to change anything in that regard. I think Pany made two steps forward...but one step back. Maybe the hacked gh2 is destined to be a legend. IMO they made a mistake by not advancing the multi-aspect sensor technology, but it was probably a business rather than an engineering decision. The good news, as an artist and not a narrative film wannabe, I'm still loving the gh13 even if I can't pickup a gh2 for 4 bills !
John Caballero
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Read Philip Bloom's blog and you will learn that the camera they used was barely working at the time. Early pre-production version with menus and features not working yet. No HDMI output either. And of course he proved what a pro he is by turning an extremely good looking piece.
Yes, this is a sensor/image-processing hardware issue, so it's very unlikely higher bit-rates will have any effect on it.
Moire becomes a serious image flaw any time the camera is moving, where you can see the moire pattern creeping along and drawing the viewers attention away from the subject you are shooting, and there is no way in post to get rid of it. It's permanently in your image.
terra1
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ok ok you got the last word! can we just talk about the camera again please?!
yeah i loved my GH13, bought it late 2009 just after its release, the hack really brought that little baby to life
i miss it dearly! sold it to help fund my 5D2, moving that brick on now and hopefully getting a GH3 very soon 
FrameFarmMedia
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I really want to see tests without the ultra sharp electronic m4/3 glass to see if the moire shows up. All of the footage I have seen has been with the 12-35 which has heavy electronic correction I think. The PB example used legacy glass and I didn't see moire in it (also wasn't pixel peeping either).
Wesley Byram
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That's a good point. Electronic sharpening can exaggerate aliasing. If memory serves, "Genesis" was shot on the Voigtlanders and SLR Magic 12mm. (I think there was an Olympus in there too.) Mostly manual glass.
Something also to consider is that, while aliasing is usually a hardware issue that can't be corrected with firmware, it can be fixed with a third-party OLPF like those that Mosiac Engineering have been making. It's not insurmountable.
Possibly because we're verry worried those issues may not be corrected when the camera is actually released. We throw up a stink now, knowing that Panasonic is listening, if an effort to make sure those issues do not show up AT ALL in the production models.
The difference is that with the GH2, the moire would not have been there in any of them. So...we're concerned. We want all the same quality we get now from a hacked GH2, plus the new features of the GH3. So far, it looks like we may not get the same level of IQ form the GH3 that we enjoy out of the GH2. If those issues aren't corrected by release, that leaves some of us with an unpleasant choice to make - keep the IQ and give up on some very much needed new features, or enjoy those much needed new features at the expense of image quality.
Personally, I want both.
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
It was indeed great - looked cool, well shot.
Just saying that the depth of post is unknown and it was HMI lit on occasion.. in a way that I for one would not have the resources to shoot like that.
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Once I see actual proof that there is more DR in the highlights if any... that's when I might consider looking at a GH3. As for now, there's not been one thing I've seen that the GH2 couldn't have done / handled as good or better. And on a more subjective note, I simply enjoy the aesthetic of GH2 footage more at this point... although time will tell.
Gonna be great once the GH2 / GH3 comparisons start comin' in; think it's gonna surprise some folks once they look at some blind tests where
A) can't tell which is which
B) still like GH2 footage the best.
That's just my prediction... but who really knows. Excited to really see what the GH3 can do!
Gonna be great once the GH2 / GH3 comparisons start comin' in; think it's gonna surprise some folks once they look at some blind tests where
A) can't tell which is which
B) still like GH2 footage the best.
That's just my prediction... but who really knows. Excited to really see what the GH3 can do!
Clearly you have a grudge and don;t see yourself behaving the same with these personal comments. We get it, you don't like him, move on and get off your soapbox. it's really tiresome. and makes you sound...childish.
I have the same concerns. hope panny can minimize moire with the production model. or I will wait til a hack comes out before trading in my GH2.
Zephyrnoid
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Look. High production value shoots mean you can probably shoot with flip camera at 720 p and make the results look professional.
Duh! 720p from a Flip camera Duh that's better than Betamax in the 1980's
LOL!Philp Bloom and every pro knows that it's never been about the camera, so that's a sucker's game to think the CAMERA is more than about 20% of the ticket. The Zacuto Revenge 2012 proved that the Hacked GH2 was the BOMB, but it still took an ACE lighting Crew, acting , casting and etc. etc. to pull it all off.
In the real world, DP's have to assume less than ideal set conditions. In ENG & Most Documentary, the Camera's RAW image has to be dealt with in post.
The problem with the 'Magic' hybrid DSLR/Mirror-less cameras is that they are perceived as being the silver bullet for Independent filmmakers. They are not.
However, there is a gap in these cameras, which none of the makers seem to want to fill.
I wish they would hurry up and break free from the constraints of hybridization.
RieniO
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I agree. I check out Andrew's site at least once a week and always find it very useful and I agree he made the GH2 hack less complicated. I also think he's a good movie maker, some of the stuff he shoots is awesome. Edit: if I was Andrew I would stay away from here or at least stop reading the haters (or put them ignore/block them, if that's possible on this site).
maranfilms
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Thats great! send him a x-mas card and a fruitcake.
If we CONTINUE to keep falling off topic everyother post, I'm pretty sure the mods will close the thread. And thats not really fair to the original thread starter. Everybody, including myself , take a deep breath, crack a beer and get back on topic
Donald Ong
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Thats great! send him a x-mas card and a fruitcake.
If we CONTINUE to keep falling off topic everyother post, I'm pretty sure the mods will close the thread. And thats not really fair to the original thread starter. Everybody, including myself , take a deep breath, crack a beer and get back on topic
3 solutions:
-mods block links to EOSHD (probably not possible...and not really fair)
-People stop posting links to EOSHD (there are plenty of sites that are more reliable when it comes to breaking news)
-Have a beer ready whenever you see 'eoshd' in the name of a thread
Simple.