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Which one will be better?
Considering
  • If one has good amount EF lenses
  • Lots of Arri Lenses can be rented cheaply in India
If PL to EOS adapter is considered for EOS mount, due to thing Flange depth can be issue for Arri Lenses on C300, which i think is mirrorless?
What other factors one should consider choosing between this two versions?
 
If you have a wide selection of EF lenses already, it seems like the EOS mount will be the better option.
 
Aren't the cinema lens coming in EF... $6,800... but thought I read once that some lower priced primes are coming... that would be perfect... complete with CP2's... so if I pulled the trigger... probably go with the EF and then over time had the cinema lens...
 
Get EOS mount, you can always get an EOS to PL adapter because there is no mirror, then use rails to support the lens

this way you have the option to shoot both
 
Most PL mount primes (every one I've personally tried plus more tried by friends) will not fit on an EF to PL adapter regardless of mirror - the bore in the adapter is too small to accommodate the rear of the PL mount. There are replacement Canon PL mounts with larger bores available that require removing the EF mount altogether, but I have not seen one for the c300 yet and the DSLR versions do not appear to share the same screw hole pattern.

All PL mount zooms I've tried work fine with the simple EF to PL adapter. The Lightweight Angenieux Optimos are fabulous on APS-C Canons.

eBay seller ciecio7 is the best source for PL adapters.

CP.2 lenses are the worst PL mount primes I've ever worked with, and I've worked with them all. Chromatic aberrations, the strangest focus scale ever, and a just plain off-feeling physical build - I recommend against them.

The PL mount C300 will be a hot rental item. The EF mount C300 will be bought by hobbyists and regretted. Don't let ownership of a couple of thousand dollars worth of lenses cripple a 20k purchase.
 
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Well I will not be purchasing the Canon C300, but if I was it would be with a PL mount.
I really think Canon missed the mark by not implementing all of the electronic controls into the C300 that their EF mount lenses are capable of.

All the Best!

Dave
 
David W. Jones said:
Well I will not be purchasing the Canon C300, but if I was it would be with a PL mount.
I really think Canon missed the mark by not implementing all of the electronic controls into the C300 that their EF mount lenses are capable of.

All the Best!

Dave
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Such as?...
 
Focus and exposure are only manual as they have omitted auto focus, auto exposure, as well as shutter priority and aperture priority modes from the C300, along with AWB function.
This may be of no big deal to some, but the only advantage to using electronic controllable EF mount Canon glass in my opinion, is the ability to use the electronic functions.
Without this you might as well use PL mount Cine glass with proper focus throws.

All the Best!

Dave
 
David W. Jones said:
Focus and exposure are only manual as they have omitted auto focus, auto exposure, as well as shutter priority and aperture priority modes from the C300, along with AWB function.
This may be of no big deal to some, but the only advantage to using electronic controllable EF mount Canon glass in my opinion, is the ability to use the electronic functions.
Without this you might as well use PL mount Cine glass with proper focus throws.

All the Best!

Dave
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This has been gone over before......Canon interviewed 150+ ASC members.....they as a group, don't use auto anything.....and this camera was aimed at them and anyone else trying to shoot features & television.

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com
 
Jim, do you know the answer to the initial question: can you use a PL->Canon adapter on the EOS-mount version of the C300, successfully?

Obviously the idea would be to have the best of both worlds -- PL mount with the adapter, and take the adapter off to have EOS mount.

I know it's a tricky situation with the Canon DSLRs, because of the presence of the mirror and whatnot. But physical mount adapters do exist and the C300 doesn't have a mirror assembly in there, so ... is it a practical idea? Is the cavity in the C300's body big enough to support PL primes?
 
Barry_Green said:
Jim...
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I'm not Jim but this is something I have experience with ;)

PL primes don't fit EOS adapters, period, no matter what body they are on - the inside bore of the adapter at the point where it fits in the EF mount is the issue. Primes all have more steel on the back of the mount than zooms, for some reason. A little lathe time on the lens mount would fix it, certainly, since this does seem to be unneeded extra material.

The other option is a mount replacement rather than a simple adapter - like this. Unfortunately the DSLR versions won't fit the C300 due to different screw patterns.

Without a mirror, there is nothing else in the way. So the question is, will somebody make one of these replacement mounts for the C300?
 
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Jim Martin said:
This has been gone over before......Canon interviewed 150+ ASC members.....they as a group, don't use auto anything.....and this camera was aimed at them and anyone else trying to shoot features & television.

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com
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Hence my reply about using PL glass.
 
Jim Martin said:
This has been gone over before......Canon interviewed 150+ ASC members.....they as a group, don't use auto anything.....and this camera was aimed at them and anyone else trying to shoot features & television.

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com
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Agree completely Jim. All the cameras I have used for broadcast work I have only used manual focus and exposure. And I am looking forward to using the Canon EF and Cinema lenses on the EF version of the C300.
 
David W. Jones said:
Focus and exposure are only manual as they have omitted auto focus, auto exposure, as well as shutter priority and aperture priority modes from the C300, along with AWB function.
This may be of no big deal to some, but the only advantage to using electronic controllable EF mount Canon glass in my opinion, is the ability to use the electronic functions.
Without this you might as well use PL mount Cine glass with proper focus throws.

All the Best!

Dave
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Using shutter priority and aperture priority is not a good idea. Especially when you are filming outdoors. For eg. if you there are trees in the background and the branches are swaying, the camera meter would read the light differently and the aperture will keep on changing. Your colorist will go crazy with such footage. I don't know why someone will use aperture priority, as in a similar situation as described in the previous sentence, the shutter will change.

Auto exposure: They could have given, so that one could have used it as an indication or starting point. However, this being designed for the serious filmmakers, they chose to ignore it.

I have no idea if they could have used Auto focus. If having a autofocus means the camera continues to do fine adjustments in focusing, then it can appear awful. It is not easy to film wildlife scenes without autofocus, however, I would prefer that rather than one which jitters.
 
I'm well aware of priority modes and auto focus issues and the like, as I've been shooting for nearly 40 years.
I was simply pointing out that the C300 lacks these features, and that the only advantage to using EF mount glass aside from one already owning a Boatload, is the ability to use the electronic features. Otherwise it makes more sense to go with a PL mount and cine glass.

All the Best!

Dave
 
David W. Jones said:
I'm well aware of priority modes and auto focus issues and the like, as I've been shooting for nearly 40 years.
I was simply pointing out that the C300 lacks these features, and that the only advantage to using EF mount glass aside from one already owning a Boatload, is the ability to use the electronic features. Otherwise it makes more sense to go with a PL mount and cine glass.

All the Best!

Dave
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Unless you have actually had one of these cameras in your hands and discovered how well balanced they are.

With heavy PL glass you would lose that advantage. Also, the IS function is a huge asset on the EF lenses when mounted to the C300. Chromatic information is electronically read from the EF lenses.
 
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