C300: EOS C200 - Editing Station (PC) to edit, archive the 4K Cinema Raw Light.

Danilo Del Tufo

Danilo Del Tufo

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Hi guys,
I'm wondering what configuration is needed to edit and archive footage from the new EOS C200 (graphic card, SSD etc..).
I'm excluding iMAC and MACPRO till the next update probably at the end of the year.
I believe that probably the same question could be asked also to Ursa mini users, but some of them use ProRes to avoid a large amount of data.

Thanks! :-)

p.s.: Sorry for C300 post Prefix, dvxuser asked for a Prefix and still doesn't have the C200 Prefix.
 
The "Cinema Raw Development" tool can be downloaded at the cinema eos C500 page. With mac you can output to Prores. With windows currently there is no space and handling friendly format available. If you write to canon, maybe they will implement DNxHD.
In the read me first .PDF of the software there are a couple of supported GPUs listed.
 
_Steven_ said:
The "Cinema Raw Development" tool can be downloaded at the cinema eos C500 page. With mac you can output to Prores. With windows currently there is no space and handling friendly format available. If you write to canon, maybe they will implement DNxHD.
In the read me first .PDF of the software there are a couple of supported GPUs listed.
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Thanks for the useful informations, but I've read that Blackmagic DaVinci Resolve will support it natively, does it means that it's straight from the CFast Card or need to be transcoded in ProRes?
 
You might not always want to deal with the raw files in post and might consider going the prores route instead. Canon offers a debayering tool. Therefore I sent you this info.

Davinci and Premiere in the future are said to support the Raw files natively.
 
He's asking about the new Canon RAW workflow, not the old C500 one.

The C200 will offer a new 'Cinema RAW Light' format that the C500 never had.
 
Danilo Del Tufo said:
Hi guys,
I'm wondering what configuration is needed to edit and archive footage from the new EOS C200 (graphic card, SSD etc..).
I'm excluding iMAC and MACPRO till the next update probably at the end of the year.
I believe that probably the same question could be asked also to Ursa mini users, but some of them use ProRes to avoid a large amount of data.

Thanks! :-)

p.s.: Sorry for C300 post Prefix, dvxuser asked for a Prefix and still doesn't have the C200 Prefix.
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What are you using now Danilo?
 
Danilo Del Tufo said:
Hi guys,
I'm wondering what configuration is needed to edit and archive footage from the new EOS C200 (graphic card, SSD etc..).
I'm excluding iMAC and MACPRO till the next update probably at the end of the year.
I believe that probably the same question could be asked also to Ursa mini users, but some of them use ProRes to avoid a large amount of data.

Thanks! :-)

p.s.: Sorry for C300 post Prefix, dvxuser asked for a Prefix and still doesn't have the C200 Prefix.
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What software do you intend to use?
 
Danilo Del Tufo said:
Actually I've an old iMac 2011 27" with 16GB Ram, but I plan to buy a new one at the end of year, also I dunno if I will choose a PC.

Da Vinci Resolve and Adobe Premiere CC.
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I recently went from Mac to a custom built PC workstation to use with Adobe CC (Premiere/AE) and Resolve. I also use Assimilate Scratch. It's not been without its frustrations and difficulties. That said, once I committed to the learning curve and now having gone through the process I will never return to only operating within a single, 'walled-garden' ecosystem (eg Apple). No way.

Here's links to some research - articles, webinars, and interviews - I read/re-read, listened/re-listened to get educated and make an informed decision. May it prove useful to you in your exploration.

From Puget Systems:
Hardware for PC workstation for Premiere: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MafWIPETZ0g
Many articles sharing benchmarks/testing. Worth reading all related to Premiere. Note the hardware, codecs, data rates, etc used in the testing: https://www.pugetsystems.com/all_articles.php

From MixingLight:
for Mac post pros interested in building custom pc.
Part One: https://mixinglight.com/color-tutorial/mac-post-pros-need-know-moving-pc/
Part Two: https://mixinglight.com/color-tutorial/building-pc-optimized-premiere-pro-davinci-resolve/
 
Kohl said:
I recently went from Mac to a custom built PC workstation to use with Adobe CC (Premiere/AE) and Resolve. I also use Assimilate Scratch. It's not been without its frustrations and difficulties. That said, once I committed to the learning curve and now having gone through the process I will never return to only operating within a single, 'walled-garden' ecosystem (eg Apple). No way.

Here's links to some research - articles, webinars, and interviews - I read/re-read, listened/re-listened to get educated and make an informed decision. May it prove useful to you in your exploration.

From Puget Systems:
Hardware for PC workstation for Premiere: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MafWIPETZ0g
Many articles sharing benchmarks/testing. Worth reading all related to Premiere. Note the hardware, codecs, data rates, etc used in the testing: https://www.pugetsystems.com/all_articles.php

From MixingLight:
for Mac post pros interested in building custom pc.
Part One: https://mixinglight.com/color-tutorial/mac-post-pros-need-know-moving-pc/
Part Two: https://mixinglight.com/color-tutorial/building-pc-optimized-premiere-pro-davinci-resolve/
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Thanks, that's very interesting. Can i ask you what kind of configuration you have?
 
Danilo Del Tufo said:
Thanks, that's very interesting. Can i ask you what kind of configuration you have?
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Sure.

Intel Core i7 6950X 3.0GHz Ten Core
128GB Ram
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11G x 2
Samsung 850 Pro 512GB SSD - Primary/OS/Programs
Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SSD - Projects
Samsung 960 Pro 1TB M.2 SSD - Scratch/Cache
Samsung 850 Pro 4TB SSD - Media
1000W Power Supply

I've been doing short form stuff of the last few months so 4TB has been enough. Will pick up a G Tech 32TB Thunderbolt 3 Raid 0 for an upcoming long form project when they become available this month.
 
Kohl said:
Sure.

Intel Core i7 6950X 3.0GHz Ten Core
128GB Ram
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11G x 2
Samsung 850 Pro 512GB SSD - Primary/OS/Programs
Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SSD - Projects
Samsung 960 Pro 1TB M.2 SSD - Scratch/Cache
Samsung 850 Pro 4TB SSD - Media
1000W Power Supply

I've been doing short form stuff of the last few months so 4TB has been enough. Will pick up a G Tech 32TB Thunderbolt 3 Raid 0 for an upcoming long form project when they become available this month.
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Thanks, do you think your configuration will be good to edit Cinema Raw Light? By the way I was following the news about the new 4K Blu-ray burners from Pioneer (BDR-S11J-BK and the BDR-S11J-X), they seem to be available only in Japan from January/February 2017. They would be a good choice to archive footage, did you hear some info about them?
 
Danilo Del Tufo said:
Thanks, do you think your configuration will be good to edit Cinema Raw Light? By the way I was following the news about the new 4K Blu-ray burners from Pioneer (BDR-S11J-BK and the BDR-S11J-X), they seem to be available only in Japan from January/February 2017. They would be a good choice to archive footage, did you hear some info about them?
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I honestly don't know how it'll handle Canon's compressed 'RAW' format. It depends on some unknowns. In terms of bandwidth, should be plenty of horsepower. Given the published data rate for 'RAW Light', a person could very likely get away with less powerful hardware. That is, however, pure conjecture on my part. Time will tell.

Thank you for sharing the info about Pioneer 4k Blu Ray burners for archival purposes. I've not heard of it. Will research it presently.

I confess I don't currently have a viable archiving solution for personal projects. LTO is cost-prohibitive for me. And frankly, I still need to make something that I see as worthy of archiving ;). Stuff I've been involved with and is worthy, other people own and pony up for the costs.

Not to divert too much from your thread's topic, but possibly some interesting tangential information can be found in this article about just how much archiving costs Hollywood and the current fix the industry is in:
http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/...ollywood-archivists-cant-outpace-obsolescence

Jim Feeley said:
Thanks for sharing Kohl. What motherboard did you end up going with?
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Hey Jim, for sure. Gigabyte GA-X99-Designare EX Rev 1.0
 
Kohl said:
... Not to divert too much from your thread's topic, but possibly some interesting tangential information can be found in this article about just how much archiving costs Hollywood and the current fix the industry is in:
http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/...ollywood-archivists-cant-outpace-obsolescence
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The archivists are getting killed by those 200/1 ratios.

Will they end up using this - http://www.techhive.com/article/3057230/storage/sony-cranks-up-optical-disc-storage-to-33tb.html
 
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