E-mount FS700II 4K camcorder?

sunnyjimfilms said:
I spoke to my supplier today who's been at Sony all week preparing for IBC. He said that suggestions that this camera is a successor to the FS700 is way off the mark In fact Sony were at pains to say it was neither a successor nor a replacement for the FS700.
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From the way that the commercial looked, I'd say you are correct. It's an expensive YouTube camera! Millennials rejoice!
 
gene_can_sing said:
I 100% agree with Morgan on this point. Theoretically, if you have the exact same camera specs, one that is 17 lbs and the other at 4 lbs, there is ZERO advantage to the 17 lbs camera, in fact, a huge disadvantage as it requires more support (which comes at a huge cost) and time to move around. Even Arri has picked up on that with the Amira and the 2 piece Alexa-M to lighten the weight.

There's a reason why so many films are now shot handheld, it's because the old 35mm cameras were way to heavy to hold. I'm not saying go DSLR light, but yeah... a camera like the BMC Ursa at 16 lbs... No thanks, I'll pass.

I like that the F55 is at 4.8 lbs body and it's a pro-level camera. Sony needs to keep the cameras light because it's easy to add weight to a camera, but impossible to take it away.
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I'm not saying that really really heavy is preferable, but it really is not the most important feature of a pro camera! Nor is it being 'easy to use' Image quality is important. That's it. You know that picture that Sam put up? That was an early sound sync camera. You think that film makers
were happy to lose the mobile camera of the pre-sound era? No, of course they weren't. But did they decide to do that to gain the added fidelity of sound? Yes they did! Because quality is more important than mobility!

Having said that I generally prefer the extra stability of a heavier camera. I was shooting of a steadicam with my FS700+Odyssey 7Q+Cinetape+Preston wireless focus+mattebox and it was pretty heavy and... much much easier to operate than the bare bones camera. Likewise I find the extra weight on the shoulder helps keep the shot more stable when hand-holding.

Seriously, extra weight is not always a problem when it comes to the final product. Sure, it may hurt more but the end result is better.
 
I think there is no link between the youtuber video and the camera seen in the spy photo. None. Sony may be offering an update to the QX1 video camera designed for use on iPhones and other pad type devices. The QX1 is reported to be selling very well on Amazon.

If the new camera is XDCAM, it will probably offer 10bit 4:2:2 4K internally and no slog. I think we will all be surprised at what
this new camera will be.

Like the others, I'm just guessing.
 
XDCAM is kinda far from "S-Log2(or3)" nor "raw" type of stuff so i feel that new camera is more like "big brother of Z100". it should be good though.

Log, S-Gamut, maybe. but not raw. see what's gonna happen on Sep 12th :)
 
My 2c,

Once you have the RAW from a camera and can compare with others you realise that the differences between most cameras really aren't that great. The A7s is no better than the FS700 really when it comes to video and even RAW stills (on a practical real life level). Don't get me wrong i love my A7s but it's not this enormous leap forward, it's a small incremental move. Assuming this new camera has RAW output and if it has the same sensor as the F55 then i'm not sure the innate difference in quality between a FS700+O7Q and this cam would be that great. On the other hand the internal codec and 'marketing features' may persuade someone to buy it but i don't expect a leap forward in actual real world image quality, which is the main thing i personally care about.

There are many, many workflow issues and post problems with RAW and AVCHD footage these days that affect the quality of what you're getting, more so than the point of capture.

It's only a few days away away (12th) so it would be interesting to see if it has RAW output...

cheers
Paul
 
paulcurtis said:
My 2c,

Once you have the RAW from a camera and can compare with others you realise that the differences between most cameras really aren't that great. The A7s is no better than the FS700 really when it comes to video and even RAW stills (on a practical real life level). Don't get me wrong i love my A7s but it's not this enormous leap forward, it's a small incremental move. Assuming this new camera has RAW output and if it has the same sensor as the F55 then i'm not sure the innate difference in quality between a FS700+O7Q and this cam would be that great. On the other hand the internal codec and 'marketing features' may persuade someone to buy it but i don't expect a leap forward in actual real world image quality, which is the main thing i personally care about.

There are many, many workflow issues and post problems with RAW and AVCHD footage these days that affect the quality of what you're getting, more so than the point of capture.

It's only a few days away away (12th) so it would be interesting to see if it has RAW output...

cheers
Paul
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From the people who actually saw the camera it's not an FS700 successor and not in the same market. So FS700 owners should be pleased.

Over this new camera, the FS700 will have RAW, 4K output, 240p, professional body construction, SDI and some outputs/inputs.

This is an entirely different market. Compressed 4K internal, lower frame rates, cheaper construction (yet more ergonomic).
 
If I were to purchase a new camera something small yet packed with features that make the camera last for years would be desirable. Sony have the technology to do it only question is if they'll get it right this time and for the right amount of dough?
 
it would make sense. With 4K XAVC plus 4K RAW Sony will kill the F5

But with 4K XAVC at 4-5K max they could reanimate the FS100 segment
and attack against C100 (no 4K only 4:2:0) and C300 (no 4K, double price)
and with eMount they have already a basis
 
The new camera will be a PXW camera not a NEX camera. My guess is we'll not see any more NEX video cameras from Sony. I do believe both the FS100 and FS700 sold really well but they will not continue the form or set of features. Time from when the FS700 came and today have brought so many new standard features so I don't think we'll be disappointed. But the NEX FS line is dead.
 
If a product sold really well then why would they discontinue it? Why not let it evolve? We're not talking going from 1080 to 4k. The 1080 stuff with no 4k path is dead but as long as a camera can output 4k why would it die? If we're going into 6k you may have a point. Have you ever shot with the fs700 odyssey7q or f5/55? Image/price wise the fs700 can hang for a bit. I doubt any new offering (especially this camera) are gonna trump the images coming out of those cameras. Features, newer codec, better buttons maybe. Just don't think a capable 4k camera like the fs700 is dead because something else comes out.
 
It's certainly not going to be dead for me. With the 7Q (form factor apart, which I'm used to now anyway) it's pretty much the most versatile camera out there and I'm looking forward to firmware update allowing the use of decent servo zooms without distortion to enhance it further, adding the ability to use it as an event camera too.
 
I don't know why but I have the feeling that this new camera is not outputting RAW...

Time to cool down a bit and wait for next friday !
 
Interesting tweet from James Miller who works with Phillip Bloom, and is therefore likely to be privy to the details of the new camera: "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions Sony F5's were suddenly put on eBay... #newF"
 
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keith.uk said:
Interesting tweet from James Miller who works with Phillip Bloom, and is therefore likely to be privvy to the details of the new camera: "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions Sony F5's were suddenly put on eBay... #newF"
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hmmmm.....sure would be a guarantee I'd update my arsenal....one way or another.
 
keith.uk said:
Interesting tweet from James Miller who works with Phillip Bloom, and is therefore likely to be privvy to the details of the new camera: "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions Sony F5's were suddenly put on eBay... #newF"
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Yeah I read that too, really worrying if you have sunk that much money into a F5 and they bring out something better not that soon after it.
 
cuervo said:
hmmmm.....sure would be a guarantee I'd update my arsenal....one way or another.
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Yep. Interesting times. And surely Canon can't just stand by watching all this happen. At some point in the not too distant future, they'll want to bring out something to leapfrog Sony.

konastab01 said:
Yeah I read that too, really worrying if you have sunk that much money into a F5 and they bring out something better not that soon after it.
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To some extent, yes, but anyone who bought an F5 knew that something better and probably cheaper would be along within a couple or three years. And regardless of the specs and price of the new camera, anyone with an F5 still has a great camera.
 
keith.uk said:
Yep. Interesting times. And surely Canon can't just stand by watching all this happen. At some point in the not too distant future, they'll want to bring out something to leapfrog Sony.
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Maybe I'm being too hopeful, what with my 20k invested in Canon lenses... but I feel like Canon has been mum because they have something really special up their sleeve.... remember that ridiculous 16x9 censor from 2012 that could see the stars? not a single thing has come of that.... not even further hints of a proof-of-concept... and the A7s has this, which is pretty damn close.
 
I got in to shooting as a YouTuber and wound up with an FS700&7Q. I love it, but to be honest it's gotten to be a very large and cumbersome set up just to do some YouTube videos. For me, it's extremely interesting that Sony has already begun a campaign for this upcoming camera with YouTube folks involved. I'd love if i was able to get something close to the 7Q image.... but in a smaller, easier to use package. I think a lot will depend on how large the on board screen is. Can i focus 4K with it?And can you record 10bit? If so.... i might look to sell the FS7Q combo. My girlfriend might kill me though. Just went through a lot to get the 7Q and all the proper gear to rig it up.
 
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Same here Chad, just got the FS700 and 7Q. If you look closely, the new camera's teaser video is under the cinematography subcategory on Sony's site, so it must be a pro cine cam. Not sure why youtubers would be the target here, i mean you can shoot with a go pro for youtube and it will look comparable to much expensive cameras. But notice that there's also cinematographers commenting on the camera in the video so i really don't think it's targeted at youtubers only. That's just silly and doesn't make sense.
 
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