DVXfest entry THE SUNSHINE LIST banned/removed from Vimeo (too hardcore)

Point them to Macgregor's "The Moment After" and "18 Seconds." Both well shot piece but also extremely sexually explicit. Both received rave accolades from Vimeo staffers
 
have you ever seen spanish TV? or Spanish films? I find that explicit sex is wayyyyyy harmless than violence.... I can't see ANY reason to forbid it.... in which way can be portraying sex be bad?
 
groveChuck said:
Adults

Consenting

Passionate

In Love

Tasteful

Where oh where above lies the problem???
Were you done in by the smile? "Oh... the smile!"

I feel your pain, man! You will prevail!
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How about posting material like in this video on website frequented by children... To me Vimeo nor YouTube is the place for something like this.
 
And my question is, why hide the reality to kids? I think that lots of stuff in channels like Disney channel is way worse. Obviously I'm not telling that kids should watch hardcore porn movies, but sexuality is a part of ourselves that they'll discover sooner or later. And if portrayed correctly, not abusively can be really educative. And sure enough parents have an important role in this play. Education is key.... But anyway, in a culture that thas the puritanism so rooted it's quite difficult to change that way of viewing things.

Anyway that's my point of view.
 
I'm not talking about Rating for obscene language, sex or violence, I'm talking about the educative value of the contents, which I think it lacks. But again that's my vision. And I've only seen the content that gets to Spain (HM, HSM...).

I'm sure that Disney channel is safe for children in what it refers to what the mpaa considers safe for children. And I will never say that they show inappropriate content (talking about ratings).

I hope I made my point clearly (you know language barriers and all that stuff).
 
I say ban the film from both Vimeo AND Youtube.

Good God....I've become a PARENT!!!!!! :-Happy(DBG)::-Happy(DBG)::-Happy(DBG)::-Laugh(DBG)::-Laugh(DBG)::-Laugh(DBG)::-Mad(DBG)::-Mad(DBG)::-Mad(DBG)::-Dum(DBG)::-Dum(DBG)::-Dum(DBG):
 
I don't see the problem with getting something banned. Basically you just got free hype. Throw up the words "Banned from Vimeo" on your youtube description. Say things like "Yeah, I got a film banned once" then move on. I think it is a good thing for filmmakers to push boundaries. Don't get mad at it, just move on to the next thing and do what you want to do. Don't mold what you want to do around what everybody else says you can do because you will just be disappointed in the end. Least that is how I look at it.
 
GoodLuck said:
Sometimes I want the right to get mad though, I feel like some people just deserve to hear what you really think and I'm tired of watering everything down.
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To further C2V's point... are your more concerned about being mad, or about getting your film seen? You have the right to get mad, but doing so in the way you did with Vimeo pretty much guarantee's it isn't going back up. Had you simply kept your feelings to yourself and expressed with Vimeo your frustration in a more civil, less confrontational and adversarial manner, your film might very well be back up right now.

Just because you can tell someone off, even if you may very well be in the right, doesn't necessarily mean you should.

My $0.02
 
ilauzirika said:
have you ever seen spanish TV? or Spanish films? I find that explicit sex is wayyyyyy harmless than violence.... I can't see ANY reason to forbid it.... in which way can be portraying sex be bad?
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Speaking of Spanish films. Zac & Mac's Love Fest entry.

To the OP. This ought to really piss you off ;)
Sorry your video was removed

NSFW!
 
To the O.P.

You don't have a leg to stand on, and no right to be upset at all. If anyone should be upset, it's Vimeo. They posted their rules up front, you agreed to those rules when you signed up for an account, and now you're doing exactly what they told you not to.

Vimeo is vimeo's house. They have a right (an absolute right) to decide what they will and will not host. You cannot and should not try to "force" them to host something they don't want to.

If you don't like it, you have the right to take your business elsewhere. Period. End of story.

You can make whatever you want. And they can host whatever they want. There is no obligation on either of your parts. You are not obligated to put your stuff on vimeo, and they are not obligated to host your stuff.

A hosting company is a business, and there is not some intrinsic "right" that anyone can demand that a company host something against their will. Find a different company to host it, or ask them to appeal their decision. But that is the complete list of remedies available to you.
 
Barry_Green said:
Vimeo is vimeo's house. They have a right (an absolute right) to decide what they will and will not host. You cannot and should not try to "force" them to host something they don't want to.
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Barry, I agree, but I think the enforcement is very inconsistent, basically Vimeo not following their own rule. I can name several videos, including the one that Jack linked to above, that are FAR more sexually explicit and yet are not only not removed, but are actually complimented by Vimeo staffers. Obviously as a company Vimeo reserves the right to do whatever they want on their server, but unless they adhere to their own standards it's not great for their customers. It would be like if DVXuser were to forbid all political discussion but only enforce it in some instances and not others.
 
Huy Vu said:
Barry, I agree, but I think the enforcement is very inconsistent, basically Vimeo not following their own rule.
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If everybody else drives 80 miles per hour, but you are the one getting caught by police, this may seem unfair, but hey, you were speeding after all, weren't you? For some reason people think that it is ok to break laws if you do it collectively. Thinking like this can lead to revolution ;-)
 
Cranky said:
If everybody else drives 80 miles per hour, but you are the one getting caught by police, this may seem unfair, but hey, you were speeding after all, weren't you? For some reason people think that it is ok to break laws if you do it collectively. Thinking like this can lead to revolution ;-)
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Best post Cranky's ever made.

Huy, no doubt there's worse stuff out there -- but in every contract I've ever signed or even read, there's usually a provision that says "failure to enforce any clause does not constitute waiving our right to enforce that clause." So just because something slips through doesn't mean that it's a free-for-all.

So those other "worse" videos should be reported and removed. Anything less than that is taking advantage of and misusing vimeo.

And yes, your comparison to DVXuser and political threads is quite appropriate. We try to eliminate all political discussions, regardless of the subject, and we really get kind of peeved when people circumvent or try to violate the rule...
 
Cranky said:
If everybody else drives 80 miles per hour, but you are the one getting caught by police, this may seem unfair, but hey, you were speeding after all, weren't you?
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In the case of Vimeo, and in the context of this thread's issue, this would be likened to the police issuing "splendid driver" commendations to some of the other speeders. That just makes it more aggravating. Vimeo should be consistent, or if they feel that they are, at least substantiate it.

But, again... it's their server, their website, their rules. And, back to the OP, it still requires respectful appeal rather than arrogant slandering in order to negotiate with them on their own turf (or, honestly, on anyone's turf, home or away).
 
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