DVXfest entry THE SUNSHINE LIST banned/removed from Vimeo (too hardcore)

Individual police officers have the discretion to issue warnings instead of tickets -- but does that entitle all of us to speed and then demand that we only receive warnings?

Vimeo staffers absolutely should not be praising videos that violate their own terms of service. That is, of course, ridiculous. The solution is for the company to do a better job educating their representatives on what their policies actually are.
 
He's got a point though. Vimeo is supposed to screen all the videos first. If no T&A is allowed it should be that way across the board.
As for the speeding reference, no different if a Porsche is doing the speeding or a Civic. Both should get fined.

Still, it's Vimeo's turf and they can do what they want.

That's really the bottom line and I agree with it. I'm sure it doesn't feel great but it's their right.

MAH
 
Understand both sides here... but BG is right... Vimeo has the ability to do that, and has all the rights.

Sorry this happened though :(
 
Agreed that in an ideal world enforcement would be uniform and consistent. But do they screen the videos first? Can they, even? We certainly can't read all the posts that get posted here, even when I'm on all day I can't keep up with it all. So we rely on the users with their "report this post" button. I am certain Vimeo operates the same way, expecting the users to help keep an eye on what's being posted on their site, which is what happened to the O.P. -- someone reported it.
 
Barry_Green said:
Agreed that in an ideal world enforcement would be uniform and consistent. But do they screen the videos first? Can they, even? We certainly can't read all the posts that get posted here, even when I'm on all day I can't keep up with it all. So we rely on the users with their "report this post" button. I am certain Vimeo operates the same way, expecting the users to help keep an eye on what's being posted on their site, which is what happened to the O.P. -- someone reported it.
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I believe they are supposed to but yes, the bigger they get the harder this will become. Was he refused right off the bat or reported?

I agree though, it's their house so to speak. Their rules.

MAH
 
Also. Just for distinction. "The right" to do something doesn't necessarily mean "right" as in fair. It just means entitled.

It just means that upon checking the terms of agreement box you bestowed them with "the right" to remove your video. It probably even says "for any reason." They didn't promise to remove videos consistently. They only let you know they could take them down, including yours. This is where all the "no leg to stand on" comments come from. Even though it sucks.

As a moderator I can tell you though, that especially for a posted policy like this, when we have to delete something or ban someone, the people that scream at us usually stay deleted or banned, while anything else is almost always something that can be worked out. It's there club, they make and enforce the rules, and while everyone makes mistakes, in your approach at least, it kind of doesn't matter if they were fair or not. If you come at them hard you give them little incentive to putting your video back up.

Unless their hands had become tied because they can't deny having seen it after taking it down or something, something like the following might have gotten it back up:
"Hi, I saw that my video was taken down for sexual content. I'm wondering if this was maybe a mistake as I've seen videos that were much more graphic on Vimeo (IMHO). I'm really hoping I can convince you to put it back up as we worked very hard on it and Vimeo is such a great way to share video. At the very least I'm hoping since I'm a plus member that you could host it for me as hidden from Vimeo, so that I could still embed it in my website, etc. Anyway, I really enjoy using Vimeo as a place to post my work so as you might imagine I'm a little upset by not being able to use your excellent service. Perhaps we could put the video back up at least until someone complains? Maybe? Hope this was a mistake or that we can come to a compromise somehow. Look forward to hearing from you. Thanks for making Vimeo such a great site."
 
good call jack. or email them and say "sorry i got mad when you took my video down, i spent a lot of hard work on that short and I got a bit upset when you yanked it. Is it possible that you tell me a few things to cut that would make the video safe for vimeo viewing?"
 
You can't go into the studio / network / MPAA offices with an assault rifle every time they tell you you've got a problem. "I understand your concerns, is there anything in particular we can do to conform to your standards?" would be my opening salvo if I'd found the video removed for the reasons they specified.

Is that an artist's or a visionary's response? Maybe not. But it is the response of a diplomat. And sometimes artists and visionaries have to be just that - diplomatic.
 
Jack Daniel Stanley said:
[...] something like the following might have gotten it back up:
"Hi, I saw that my video was taken down for sexual content. I'm wondering if this was maybe a mistake as I've seen videos that were much more graphic on Vimeo (IMHO). I'm really hoping I can convince you to put it back up as we worked very hard on it and Vimeo is such a great way to share video. At the very least I'm hoping since I'm a plus member that you could host it for me as hidden from Vimeo, so that I could still embed it in my website, etc. Anyway, I really enjoy using Vimeo as a place to post my work so as you might imagine I'm a little upset by not being able to use your excellent service. Perhaps we could put the video back up at least until someone complains? Maybe? Hope this was a mistake or that we can come to a compromise somehow. Look forward to hearing from you. Thanks for making Vimeo such a great site."
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I agree with your method of response; however, there is no need to be servile. Without user content, where would Vimeo be?
 
Guys, there is absolutely NOTHING in that video that should make Vimeo take it down. That's the point here.

Hell, I bet if you start a new account and post it, it'll stay on and they might not even notice. It's a big site afterall.
 
Honestly... we recently had an issue like this on our film rating... originally it was going to get a PG-13 for something... but we worked through it, and made then necessary talks and changes (just an audio level adjustment) to get the rating the film should have gotten in the first place... but yes, the first reaction was... "what the heck?!"
 
groveChuck,

That's a good point. Guidelines seem a lot less arbitrary or subject to interpretation when they're spelled out!
 
i see it like a spectrum. one one end of the spectrum you have porn and on the other end you have art. where it falls on that scale is subjective to each viewer. but things like story, the shots used, and how beautifully it is filmed will affect the viewer's opinion.

in general, i think foreign films are given the benefit of the doubt and are viewed more on the art side. would something like "y tu mama tambien" been received differently if it had been about two american teenagers? i don't know about you, but i envision angry mothers lining up to protest it as corrupting our youth.

i know it hurts having your film removed, but at the end of the day it comes down to a judgment call by the moderators at the site. because of this, i really think every film maker should have their own website in addition to posting on vimeo and youtube. that way you don't have to worry about someone else taking your film down.
 
What does watching the video have to do with anything? Do you understand his post? We can scream, "It's art!" all we want. It doesn't change Vimeo's policy.

Kegan
 
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